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Originally Posted by Cricket
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This little girl was 3 years old. Her name was Evelyn. She was raped, sodomized, and murdered in her own home in South Sioux City, Nebraska last month, while her parent slept in another room. Her 5 year old brother is believed to have witnessed at least part of the attack.
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Originally Posted by John Scott
You want to draw an illicit distinction between the act that comes from sadistic tendencies and the sadistic tendency. But we are discussing "insanity", and insanity does not deal with acts. It deals with states of mind. So, sorry, action is not required to be sadistic. And insanity is not required to be sadistic. Normal male sex, in many species, is about domination. In one culture (still, in 2009) it is customary to "force" one's chosen bride to accompany the male home. Just because you think it's insane doesn't make it so.
Rape and murder are older than humanity. It's all natural. The only unnatural thing is to think that rape and murder are oddities, or even the product of insanity.
Fortunately, individualist tendencies tell us to agree to a social contract whereby we reject rape, murder and other encroachments in return for a guarantee of security for ourselves against those same encroachments. The social contract is not natural. Murder is. Rape is. Mayhem is natural. Watch the Discovery Channel sometime if you want to see how natural rape and murder are.
Protected? So you think that nobody escapes from prison? Nobody murders prison guards? Um, read the news?
And prison doesn't pay the debt owed - which is life.
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John:
So your contention is that someone committing the crime detailed above by Cricket is not necessarily insane?
BTW I should apologize, previously I made the mistake of assuming 'sadistic tendency' related only to thought. Of course it doesn't. But of course there is a difference between just thinking something and acting upon it. We haven't reached the point where thought alone is considered a crime and thus punishable in and of itself. But thought is considered an indication of mental illness and those found to be mentally ill can be detained in secure accommodation by the state even though no crime has been committed.
I agree that rape and murder are not of themselves indications of insanity. But the case outlined goes way beyond that. And my contention is that no person in their right mind would be capable of such a crime. Can you honestly conceive a 'normal' person doing that?