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Originally Posted by webdance
The real difference is that people who are self proclaimed SEO's spam forums; real coders and optimizers don't need too.......
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To a certain degree, that is true. But then there are people like Aaron Wall who do a great job of optimizing sites without resorting to the really nasty options.
Of course, most SEO's are either
incompetent or filthy. But then some aren't, and some have real technical knowledge that comes in handy.