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Old 07-08-2006, 01:52 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Dude, you're just wrong about this stuff.

Lots of good coders use PHP.

PHP is no more insecure than ASP.

There's not a language in the world that is safe.

We used to have the exact same complaint about Visual Basic that you have about PHP but we still wrote some kick ass VB programs while the noobees ruined the language's reputation.

Tons of large companies use PHP.

Many so-called robust languages package huge amounts of functionality into single statements. Only assembly language has a one-to-one correspondence to machine language so by your standards the only pure language is assembly language, all the other languages package things for loser coders.

I have written in machine code, PDP-11 assembler, IBM 3090 assembler, COBOL, C, C++, Java, ASP/VBSCript, PHP, ASP.Net, C#, VB.Net, VBA and JavaScript.

I have taught ASP.Net, C#, VB.Net, ADO.Net and Visual Basic.

As I mentioned above there is no such thing as a safe programming language that's built on a C-Language foundation.

You can make the same case against ASP and JSP that you're making against PHP. And I am agreeing with you on this point very, very much. My customers think that markup and coding are the same thing, they think they can code, and they're wrong on both counts.

For 10 years Visual Basic was the most productive language on the planet. I used it to create advertising systems that sold for hundreds of thousands of dollars. And my doctor quit his job to use it to build some doctor-thingy program.

You are correct, PHP does not have enough barriers to entry. And if my experience and your opinion are representative of the marketplace then I think you are predicting the demise of PHP's reputation.

But this is the most important point of this post: PHP is a beautiful language that elegantly does what it says and works without my kicking the shit out of it first.

The problem is not the gun. The problem is that our culture invites the whacko wield the gun.
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