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Originally Posted by sim
People who spam pay, they pay for there internet,
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Most spammers DON'T pay for access. Most spammers use stolen credit cards and sign up for 20+ accounts on services that let you sogn up for instant access via the web. Once one get's closed the just move to the other until they run out of accounts. Other spammers get a $9.95 a month account for the sole purpouse of spamming to hell and pack knowing it's going to get closed. But they are paid $500 for the spam job so they make money doing it.
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Originally Posted by sim
Its not there fault some servers are open to let them mail from anoynmously.
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On this view it's not a thiefs fault the guy left his window open and he got in and placed $1000 worth of long distance calls on their phone is it. They should have locked the window. Hey ! he left the car unlocked, he didn't care I used it to drive around for a while, or he would have locked it..
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Originally Posted by sim
Some spammers even pay for mailing list, or software.
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And this makes it alright ? I can collect 1 million email addresses from a USENET group called alt.cats.the.other.white.meat (yes it is a real new group) and then spam every address about a new fea collar for cats and called it a targeted list right?
I've worked for an ISP in the abuse dept. for 5 years. I deal with spamming scum every day, all day. I've heard every excuse and con that a spammers has tried and it's all crap.
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Originally Posted by sim
So there is no difference between junk email and junk mail.
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If you think this is true you have never run a mail server. Or you don't live out of the US. Most overseas ISPs charge by the minute to down load spam.
Lets see. It cost a spammer at most $9.95 to send a few million emails to AOL if they used a legit credit card. AOL has to pay the bandwidth to get this crap, store it, and the man hours at $25/hr (average) to handle all the compaints from their users. A normal spam run will get 400-500 complaints in an 8 hour shift. ( from experiance). AOL blocks the poor little ISP in nowhere ville who was lucky enough to have the spammer use their ISP for his one time spam run. Now, the ISP has to send all day ( another 8 hours) trying to get ahold of an AOL rep ( good luck) who can remove the block so their users can send mail to AOL again.
The Junk mail side ? AOL sends out 1 Million CDs, They pay postage for each and every CD sent. It arrives in your mailbox, you trash it. who has paid the higher cost ? AOL the sender.. Not the Post Office ( ISP) they got paid to deliver it to you.
It's not the same.