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In closing, you John have nicely contrasted that religion does indeed attempt to define that in the realm of science, therefore making religion and science mutually exclusive.
Science and religion are mutually exclusive.
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It must be Christmas! You were almost out of here without proving yourself to be wholly intellectually incompetent and that had to post this and remove all doubt.
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In closing, you John have nicely contrasted that religion does indeed attempt to define that in the realm of science, therefore making religion and science mutually exclusive.
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1. In your intellectual weakness, you confuse the mutual exclusivity of religion and science - which is not debated - with the aforementioned inability of the two to co-exist peacefully.
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There is no evidence that a fetus at 24 weeks (generally speaking, the latest you can get an abortion in the US) can suffer pain, nor contains any consciousness.
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2. At 8 weeks, an unborn human reacts to pain the same way an adult human does.
3. Since when was humanity defined by ability to sense pain? By that standard, murder is fine as long as we put the victim to sleep first.
4. Why 24 weeks? When we talk about the morality of something, is it standard at moron conventions to just talk about the morality of something based upon laws of certain jurisdictions? Abortion is legal in many circumstances up until the time of birth, so drop the bogus cut off date.
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Your attempt at defining what constitutes a child is strictly biblical.
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5. In debate, one is generally expected to substantiate one's claims with quotes or sources. How is my definition of what constitutes a human being - human DNA - biblical? Does the Bible even mention DNA?
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It has no scientific basis, and comes from religious dogma.
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6. DNA has no ground in science? Oh, on the contrary DNA is all about science. Your attempt to define humans in terms of random "consciousness" or ability to feel pain - that's some very non-scientific crap there.
7. And where did I even mention the Bible? I find it extremely telling that you would assume that I am the Bible Belt and go off on a tangent on the basis of that assumption, when most people who know me know that I'm the biggest manwhore in Tokyo, and I really doubt any Church would allow me through their doors without first showering me with holy water.