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StupidScript · 06-12-2007, 02:47 PM

Nasty piece of work ...

We have to use IP addresses to connect to non-Vista computers, and there needs to be something "shared" on the target system in order to connect at all. This is because the "new" Peer Name Resolution Protocol (PNRP) service in Vista DEPENDS ON IPv6 TO WORK!!! NetBIOS just ain't the same ... The network connections show every shared device on our LAN (um...hello...security?!?), but you can only connect to them if they are not in My Documents, or any of the Username Documents directories. (It's really absurd ... a limited user cannot access documents unless they are in a subdirectory of their personal My Documents directory or in the Shared Documents ... and they can't be shared with the network from either of those places!)

NOTE: Vista Home Basic and Vista Home Premium DO NOT have the ability to join a domain! If your XP system was set up as a domain controller, and you're running Basic or Premium on the other system, then you will need to remove the domain controller profile from the XP system in order to relax its security enough to let Vista connect to it. Either that, or upgrade to Vista Business, Enterprise or Ultimate.

So ...

1) Is your XP system set up to be a "domain controller"?
2) What version of Vista are you running?
3) Can you connect to the Internet from both machines, at this point?
(BTW, you can expect some pretty slow web surfing, once you disabled the IPv6 in order to get the system into your network ... because Vista needs IPv6 support in order to avoid having to chunk up it's data packets to fit IPv4. So instead of just going out over the wire, each packet needs to be stripped of its IPv6 attributes before Vista can send it out ... good move, MS! It's actually a little funny, because MS says, "We're running an IPv6 network, and we didn't notice any problems." HA!)

I'm thinking that "this is the most secure version of Windows ever" because you spend more time figuring out how to get it into your network than you do using it ... reducing your exposure to security issues. It seems to work ok for those who don't have an established network, but even then all of the pop-ups and switching users and stuff is mind boggling. I've been running Linux systems for the past 8 years, and it is absolutely unfathomable to me that MS chose the (pseudo) multi-user approach that they have, instead of looking for guidance to what works really well in more mature environments, like Linux. It's pure MS crap.

And I gotta say that Reading The @#$% Manual is freaking useless, unless you want to hear about all of the fun you will be having when you finally get the system up and integrated. Bottom line: The IS NO manual provided by Microsoft that does ANY good ... people who need one will have to wait until O'Reilly comes out with one ...

06-12-2007, 02:47 PM	#23 (permalink)
StupidScript Inactive Join Date: 09-22-06 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 678 iTrader: 0 / 0% Latest Blog: None	Nasty piece of work ... We have to use IP addresses to connect to non-Vista computers, and there needs to be something "shared" on the target system in order to connect at all. This is because the "new" Peer Name Resolution Protocol (PNRP) service in Vista DEPENDS ON IPv6 TO WORK!!! NetBIOS just ain't the same ... The network connections show every shared device on our LAN (um...hello...security?!?), but you can only connect to them if they are not in My Documents, or any of the Username Documents directories. (It's really absurd ... a limited user cannot access documents unless they are in a subdirectory of their personal My Documents directory or in the Shared Documents ... and they can't be shared with the network from either of those places!) NOTE: Vista Home Basic and Vista Home Premium DO NOT have the ability to join a domain! If your XP system was set up as a domain controller, and you're running Basic or Premium on the other system, then you will need to remove the domain controller profile from the XP system in order to relax its security enough to let Vista connect to it. Either that, or upgrade to Vista Business, Enterprise or Ultimate. So ... 1) Is your XP system set up to be a "domain controller"? 2) What version of Vista are you running? 3) Can you connect to the Internet from both machines, at this point? (BTW, you can expect some pretty slow web surfing, once you disabled the IPv6 in order to get the system into your network ... because Vista needs IPv6 support in order to avoid having to chunk up it's data packets to fit IPv4. So instead of just going out over the wire, each packet needs to be stripped of its IPv6 attributes before Vista can send it out ... good move, MS! It's actually a little funny, because MS says, "We're running an IPv6 network, and we didn't notice any problems." HA!) I'm thinking that "this is the most secure version of Windows ever" because you spend more time figuring out how to get it into your network than you do using it ... reducing your exposure to security issues. It seems to work ok for those who don't have an established network, but even then all of the pop-ups and switching users and stuff is mind boggling. I've been running Linux systems for the past 8 years, and it is absolutely unfathomable to me that MS chose the (pseudo) multi-user approach that they have, instead of looking for guidance to what works really well in more mature environments, like Linux. It's pure MS crap. And I gotta say that Reading The @#$% Manual is freaking useless, unless you want to hear about all of the fun you will be having when you finally get the system up and integrated. Bottom line: The IS NO manual provided by Microsoft that does ANY good ... people who need one will have to wait until O'Reilly comes out with one ... Last edited by StupidScript : 06-12-2007 at 02:59 PM. Reason: Added RTM rant...