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hexed · 05-21-2004, 11:25 PM

I've been doing some thinking and research on the entire sandbox effect, and here's a preliminary thoery that just popped in to my head. I also understand that there have been similar theories on the subject and this is not completely new. However, I _believe_, keywords are "I believe", that the theory presented below may be the most accurate of all of them to date. The main point here is _HYSTERESIS_. Please try to understand the concept. I know it may be tough if you've never heard the word before.

THIS IS JUST A THOERY AND HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN - PLEASE TREAT IT AS SUCH.

UNTESTED THEORM:

Google applies a dampening effect to new sites specific to the keyword or keyword combination. The amount of dampening and the length of time it takes to be even listed is proportional to the amount of sites that are already listed in the SERPs for those specific keywords.
i. ranking threshold - is also applied (see below).
ii. gluttonous gathering - accumulation of links too quickly will have a global negative effect on the formula/theory (see below).

EXAMPLES:

CASE 1: Adding a new site or page to the Google SERPs where there are already 10 pages listed for "some odd keyword combination". This may only have a dampening effect of 10% and a time to be listed (TTBL) of 3 days.

CASE 2: Adding a new site or page to the Google SERPs where there are already 1,000,000 pages listed for "common keyword". This may have a large dampening effect of 99% and a time to be listed (TTBL) of 3 months.

RANKING THRESHOLD (WITH HYSTERESIS):
To further complicate the problem, some sites may have to pass a "ranking threshold" to even be added into the SERPs. This explains why some sites have been in the sandbox for over a year. I'm not talking about a threshold of the 10000th site in the SERPs for that keyword. I'm talking about it may have to pass the threshold of the 50th site in the SERPs for that keyword. If there are any electrical engineers out there, the words/device "Schmitt Trigger" immediately comes to mind. Also - a dynamic factor that seems to be playing in the SERPs is what engineers also call "hysteresis". Even though hysteresis plays an important factor and that it's paramount to understanding the definition, the logical operation of the Schmitt Trigger explains the entire ranking threshold with hyteresis perfectly. Please look again at the Schmitt Trigger.

GLUTTONOUS GATHERING:
I also firmly believe that gathering links too quickly may extend the TTBL and increase the dampening effect - for obvious spammy reasons. This has already been seen with the "dream team" nigritude ultramarine site.

Hexed

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05-21-2004, 11:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
hexed Inactive Join Date: 05-18-04 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 31 iTrader: 0 / 0% Latest Blog: None	Google "Sandbox" Threshold with "Hysteresis&q I've been doing some thinking and research on the entire sandbox effect, and here's a preliminary thoery that just popped in to my head. I also understand that there have been similar theories on the subject and this is not completely new. However, I _believe_, keywords are "I believe", that the theory presented below may be the most accurate of all of them to date. The main point here is _HYSTERESIS_. Please try to understand the concept. I know it may be tough if you've never heard the word before. THIS IS JUST A THOERY AND HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN - PLEASE TREAT IT AS SUCH. UNTESTED THEORM: Google applies a dampening effect to new sites specific to the keyword or keyword combination. The amount of dampening and the length of time it takes to be even listed is proportional to the amount of sites that are already listed in the SERPs for those specific keywords. i. ranking threshold - is also applied (see below). ii. gluttonous gathering - accumulation of links too quickly will have a global negative effect on the formula/theory (see below). EXAMPLES: CASE 1: Adding a new site or page to the Google SERPs where there are already 10 pages listed for "some odd keyword combination". This may only have a dampening effect of 10% and a time to be listed (TTBL) of 3 days. CASE 2: Adding a new site or page to the Google SERPs where there are already 1,000,000 pages listed for "common keyword". This may have a large dampening effect of 99% and a time to be listed (TTBL) of 3 months. RANKING THRESHOLD (WITH HYSTERESIS): To further complicate the problem, some sites may have to pass a "ranking threshold" to even be added into the SERPs. This explains why some sites have been in the sandbox for over a year. I'm not talking about a threshold of the 10000th site in the SERPs for that keyword. I'm talking about it may have to pass the threshold of the 50th site in the SERPs for that keyword. If there are any electrical engineers out there, the words/device "Schmitt Trigger" immediately comes to mind. Also - a dynamic factor that seems to be playing in the SERPs is what engineers also call "hysteresis". Even though hysteresis plays an important factor and that it's paramount to understanding the definition, the logical operation of the Schmitt Trigger explains the entire ranking threshold with hyteresis perfectly. Please look again at the Schmitt Trigger. GLUTTONOUS GATHERING: I also firmly believe that gathering links too quickly may extend the TTBL and increase the dampening effect - for obvious spammy reasons. This has already been seen with the "dream team" nigritude ultramarine site. Hexed Comments Please!