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[scorpy01]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Sweet deal. I sometimes wonder what impact the Internet is having on offline labor force. I mean, with people able to make so much money working from home, it's got to be hurting the offline labor market.

I live in an economically depressed area (the Rust Belt). Prior to this I worked as tech support for a small, local dial up ISP. Needless to say, there isn't much demand for that these days with DSL and Cable being so affordable and prolific. I'm sure McD's will find someone else to flip their burgers or work their drive up window.

We do not get unfounded accusations. ... Since our customers are mostly SEO companies, they look at these things.

I wasn't referring so much to your customers as to some of the bloggers posting in this thread about their own experiences blogging for PPP.

I am astonished at the fact that some PayPerPost people are offended that we choose not to use blogs that our advertisers do not like. I'm even more shocked at the hatred and name calling I see on your forum, that is aimed at me personally. We're running a business here, giving th advertisers what they want - it's nothing personal.

For better or worse, PPP gives a lot of latitude with free speech on the forum. Sometimes, that anger is aimed at PPP, too. As an admin there, I think long and hard before locking a thread and I've never deleted one yet. (Others have, though)

It's a large, passionate community and sometimes tempers flare. Also, PPP the company and PPP's bloggers have been attacked by some big name bloggers like Calacanis and Arrington. Some of us get very defensive over anything that seems like an attack.

[John Scott]

Calacanis

He just does that for the attention.

Arrington

That one sincerely believes himself to be the moral leader of the blogoshere. It was good publicity for you guys, though. No doubt profitable, too.

[scorpy01]

Originally Posted by John Scott

He just does that for the attention.


That one sincerely believes himself to be the moral leader of the blogoshere. It was good publicity for you guys, though. No doubt profitable, too.

Agreed!

[DeniseG]

I did not call you a snake, I said "like a snake" which is a metaphor. Unlike you, who called PayPerPost PayPoorPost. But I have to hand it to you, you're good. You are clearly able to twist people's words to meet your personal agenda, which IS about money. If it weren't, why would you be so busy slamming PPP? Professional jealously would be my bet.

[ilu]

Yes its tough to comply with payperpost..
But they have a big marketplace and they are famous right now

[John Scott]

I did not call you a snake, I said "like a snake"

Oh, well that isn't name calling at all then. Nor is it name calling when you call me a "hypocrite" on PayPerPost. (Thanks for editing that, by the way. I was a bit embarrassed for you, at your age, name calling.)

your personal agenda, which IS about money

How do you figure? Seriously I do not see even a hint of a logical argument here. Please make your thought clear, feel free to express yourself.

If it weren't, why would you be so busy slamming PPP?

Why do people slam companies? Why do people slam iPowerWeb? Because they are a crap company with poor customer service?

There are people in this very forum who used PayPerPost for advertising and despise it. You think they despise it out of jealousy? That sounds like a fairly psychotic opinion to me.

Professional jealously would be my bet.

From the numbers I've seen, I don't have anything to be jealous of.

[cassdarrow]

For the record, I work gladly with both companies, and several others as well. I try hard to tie in my links with real life and maintain the quality of all my blogs.

The other day, I pulled up one of my blogs and took a look at it "for the first time", as it were. Boy, that blog just screams "paid blogger", not so much because of the posts, but because of what's in the sidebars! I'll be spending some time this afternoon mopping up, because 1) it looks tacky and 2) it would offend me as an advertiser.

I do have a question about out-bound links. I was shocked when I ran a count the other day, but most of mine come from the blogroll I keep, and these are blogs I actually read, not reciprocal listings. Would I be better off to move that blogroll? Would advertisers see the blog as a better investment is what I mean by that.

I'm also wondering if you are evaluating blogs individually or is this a blanket thing? I've also had less work from V7n lately, and until this thread, I assumed it was because you were switching to the new system. I've received compliments from your staff on my work, so now, I'm left wondering where I stand with ya'll.

As for some f the things said on this thread, not all PPP'ers are the same, nor do we always agree, for which I am profoundly grateful. You've done an admirable job keeping your cool, John.

[chimommy]

I haven't been with V7N long and have only done a couple of posts or so. I am, however, quite loyal to PayPerPost because they have been extremely good to me... as they have to many, MANY people. I have NEVER had a problem with support or anything else.

I do have to say though... I think this PPP bashing is such a waste of time and energy. You say you are slowly moving away from blogs that are affiliated with PPP. Fine. Do it then and move on. I am a frequent PPP postie yet you accepted my blog so to see you turn around and say things like you have said in this thread really irritates me. Not to mention it is EXTREMELY unprofessional.

[DeniseG]

Originally Posted by cassdarrow

You've done an admirable job keeping your cool, John.

[scorpy01]

Since I got all my cooking done early (love my crock pots!) I sat down to write about this PPP v. V7N debate. I'm uncomfortable with things said on both sides. I was going to explain that here but it got long so instead, here is my post about it.

http://www.marisashreve.com/2007/05/...7n-the-choice/

Just so you know, this particular blog does neither PayPerPost nor v7n (or any other Pay-to-Blog program). It's a relatively new blog that I use for really speaking my mind. So there's no monetary gain for me if you click the link and read it.

[Snarke]

Just a point of clarification: When you say blogs with few outbound links, do you mean ANY kind of outbound link, or do you mean PAID outbound links? The reason I ask is that blogging, by definition (especially when you look at the history of blogging), involves linking to other sites around the web. It's only in the last few years that online journal-type sites have become included in the definition of "blogging"

I always figured the reason your advertisers didn't want disclosure was because a non-paid link holds more authority in the "blogosphere" than a paid link and is more likely to be investigated.

That being said, I can totally understand why an advertiser wouldn't want to spend their money to be included on what I like to call "link farms" (those sites who will take any and every paid link that comes along and whose obvious intent is JUST to make money, not to really blog or share information).

(I tend to use parenthetical statements when I don't really have to.)

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by DeniseG

Ooh, I hate it when people in positions of authority stoop to insults. My blogs are of the highest quality. And as far as your so called "program" you can count me out. At least PPP has the integrity to insist that bloggers disclose, unlike you, John, who insist that the blogger do the opposite, even making sure the blogger deceives the reader by insisting that the post not be disclosed as being paid.

I ask this question respectfully, out of nothing more than curiosity. Why on earth do you care about what others feel in regards to PPP? Certainly everyone has a right to their own opinions, don't they?

Originally Posted by DeniseG

SEO and money are more important to you, it seems, than the integrity of your organization or the way you treat the members of your forum. You should be ashamed.

If you truly believe this, then you do not know John.

[James Trotta]

Originally Posted by dragonden

The person didn't read the TOS obviously.

Actually I did read the TOS when I joined PPP. Then the TOS changed...

Originally Posted by dragonden

Bloggers working with PPP must either have site wide disclosure or must declare that a post is sponsored at post level. She or he had three days to correct the error in the post (which was that his/her disclosure was on a single page and not site wide or in the post). That's why their post disappeared. They didn't make the correction.

Actually I had site wide disclosure but it wasn't labeled the way PPP liked it (said "about healthspanblog.com" instead of "disclosure") and still had a post rejected (it eventually vanished). I made the change but PPP screwed up - nothing new there.

Originally Posted by dragonden

I didn't check to see what that blogs PR and other ranks were, but even if they were a PR 0 they should have made more than $29 in 6 months! There's always lots of posting opportunities available if you are willing to do them, so he or she could have made at least $15 a day on that blog if he or she was really interested in making money - $15 a day x 6 months is $2,700! I based that on the lowest paid posts which are $5 each but many pay more than that, so that person could have made even more money than that with with a bit of work. (or have done fewer posts and still made good money) It's not that hard.

The blog in question is a PR 4 blog. Now if I were willing to blog about whatever random crap I found on PPP I could have made more money. But this is a health blog. I only blog about health stuff on there. It seems like the only blogs that make money on PPP are the ones that have no niche.

$2,700 in 6 months? That still sucks. Especially when you factor in the time it would take me to do 3 blog posts / day.

[James Trotta]

Speaking of twisting words and generally playing unfair with language I like how your recent "John Scott plays dirty" blog labels everyone who agrees with John a sheep.

That's not a bad way to try to silence the people who disagree with you but it does make you a name caller (so does calling someone crooked and using metaphors such as "like a snake").

Originally Posted by DeniseG

I did not call you a snake, I said "like a snake" which is a metaphor. Unlike you, who called PayPerPost PayPoorPost. But I have to hand it to you, you're good. You are clearly able to twist people's words to meet your personal agenda, which IS about money. If it weren't, why would you be so busy slamming PPP? Professional jealously would be my bet.

For the record, I'm busier slamming PPP than John and this thread was started based on one of my blog posts. Is it professional jealousy on my part? Am I a sheep? A snake? Crooked?

Or am I an honest guy sharing an experience?

[scorpy01]

James, I'm not here to argue with you or to call people names. I'm curious about something, though. When you said:

I made the change but PPP screwed up - nothing new there.

What did you do after making the change? I ask because after fixing a post, it should be resubmitted through the blogger's "my posts" page. Did you do that and was it within 3 days?

I realize that the system may not be perfect but I've found none so far that are. They all take some getting used to. The thing I love about PPP and v7n is that both have community forums where anyone can get advice. Did you not get good advice at the PPP forum?

[MadKad]

That guy was a bit unlucky, I have sent my info in to v7n a while ago and now just waiting, waiting oh and waiting lol

cant wait :p

[Cricket]

Quoted from DeniseG's recent blog post:
"What is even more pathetic is that, like so many people tend to do on online forums, he has his sheep ba-ba-baing behind him, when, if the truth be known, many of them probably think he’s as big a jerk as I do, they are just afraid of falling out of the big boy’s good graces, (several, I imagine, because they don’t want to lose the underhanded income they are earning) others because they are just simply sheep. As for me? I’d rather be a lone wolf."

http://internetmarketingreview.org/blog/2007/05/27/john-scott-from-v7n-plays-dirty/

For the record, I am not a sheep, nor do I ba-ba-baing behind him. I am also not part of the V7N Contextual Links program or PPP. My opinions are not now, nor are they ever based on my income.

When I disagree with John (or anyone else) I am not afraid to say so, but I usually try to do so in a manner that actually debates the topic at hand, rather than attacking individuals stating their opinions. You may have convinced me to make exception to that now though.

On the other hand, you came into this thread like a barracuda with a whopping 12 posts under your belt (in this community) and began attacking the integrity of someone I have known and respected for a long time.

Yeah, I take offense by that.

[MadKad]

lol ooops did I post in the middle of a dummy spitting competiton



SORRY LOL

[James Trotta]

We're testing my memory a bit but what i think happened is I told support i had disclosure and there was an error with the initial rejection.

Support said that my disclosure wasn't good enough and sent me to the TOS.

I changed my disclosure label the way i thought they wanted me to - I wasn't sure so I asked for confirmation.

Payperpost support went on vacation or something because I never heard from them. It's been over a month now I guess...


Keep in mind that this is not an isolated thing. Payperpost has done other things to irritate me as well (such as rejecting posts that meet requirements and are actually really good and taking my money but not crediting it to my advertiser account).


I never did try the PPP forum. I never even knew about it. Even if I did, I doubt I would have joined because considering how little money we're talking about with PPP, the forum doesn't seem like a good way to invest my time.

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