Coding in D/M OMG

[Ricoool]

You lose about 10% of the users with JavaScript, ASP or PHP is the way to go.
But no matter what the background images are way to big, the small one (800x600) you had was about 12kb, the total amount for a startpage should not be more the 30-35 kb (html, css, script, all images) and better if it is less

[imaginemn]

Originally Posted by Ricoool

You lose about 10% of the users with JavaScript, ASP or PHP is the way to go.
But no matter what the background images are way to big, the small one (800x600) you had was about 12kb, the total amount for a startpage should not be more the 30-35 kb (html, css, script, all images) and better if it is less

Where do you get that number from? You can't even go online without JavaScript. Try searching google with javascript disabled. Even you use javascript on your site.

I would agree that ASP, PHP or whatever would make more sense but for Doc's solution it's good enough. And YES, the graphics should be really small. The smaller the better. I would personally prefer a background color instead of using a background image, but it's not my site.

In the end, it can be done. Is it a perfect solution? No. Is it a recommended solution? Maybe not. But it does give doc what he is looking for.

Sorry, doc. I've spent enough time on this one. Time to move.

BTW, Nothing personal I was just curious where you came up with the 10% reference. That's all. Your suggestions are great alternatives and suggestions. I just don't think doc wants the page to look that way.

imaginemn

[docquesting]

imaginemn I greatly appreciate your suggestions and input as well as the others. Please dont stop now. I may need your help advice for something else.

Ok I think I may use a solid dark brown bg. In the long run I will probly be better off. What do you guys think? This way I wont need to worry about the extra images as mentioned regarding page loading.

[DaveyBoy]

yeah do that, saves having to load an image, plus i don't like gradients in that fashion anyway.

[Ricoool]

Originally Posted by imaginemn

Where do you get that number from? You can't even go online without JavaScript. Try searching google with javascript disabled. Even you use javascript on your site.

For one here http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp this number has been around that for at least the last 5 years. Go to any stat site they will have just about the same number.

I am talking about the users that disable JavaSript in the browser.

I know I use it, I made the decision, too bad for the 10%

Edit:"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
Benjamin Disraeli

[docquesting]

Hey yall I got this far as only a test page only to see if it would come out right. Anyways now another question.

http://www.hostinginnovators.com/test1.html

How do I get the link menu to meet with the header and the center table. I dont want any of the bg showing on both sides of the menu. I need all that merged together. How do I do this in d/w.

Thanks, Doc

P.s Should I code it in 650 pixels wide instead of 700 to make it look better for viewers with 800*600 settings?

[DaveyBoy]

700 is fine for 800x600 doc.

[docquesting]

How do I get the link menu to meet with the header and the center table. I dont want any of the bg showing on both sides of the menu. I need all that merged together. How do I do this in d/w.

Thanks, Doc

[DaveyBoy]

ooh deja vu.

make the height of the cells the same as the image height

[TeKBuzz]

also make sure cellpadding and cellspacing for the table (or atleast that part if its possible) are both set to 0.

[DaveyBoy]

ah yes good point, looks to me like it is though cos of the header fitting perfectly.

[TeKBuzz]

Actually it appears he doesn't have the links in a seperate cell at all, and the spacing/padding isn't defined either. Also looking at this it would appear the problem is because of the defined heights for the images aren't actually all the same size. notice some are 47 and some are 49. Other than that I'm not sure, aside from making a new row, zero set cellspace and padding, and even then you have to make sure the images are the same height.

  <table width="700" border="0">
    <tr> 
      <td width="700" bgcolor="#000000"> 
        <div align="center"><img src="test/images/header.jpg" width="700" height="215"><br>
          <img src="test/images/home.gif" width="130" height="49"><img src="test/images/aboutus.gif" width="110" height="47"><img src="test/images/affiliate.gif" width="110" height="49"><img src="test/images/support.gif" width="110" height="47"><img src="test/images/contact.gif" width="110" height="47"><img src="test/images/links.gif" width="130" height="49"><img src="test/images/centertable.jpg" width="700" height="471"></div></td>

    </tr>
  </table>

Hope this helps. Btw its coming along nicely ^_^

P.S. That's his current code, not the corrected version.

[docquesting]

Originally Posted by DaveyBoy

ooh deja vu.

make the height of the cells the same as the image height

This doesnt apply as I am not using individual tables for each one. I did make the whole bg of the center table black so it would make it appear to be ok. Only problem with this is another situation occours at the ends. You can see that the menu is not all together as it appears to be towards the center of it. I really need to be able to have everything merge properly. Perhaps some of this is due to proper slicing as teck mentioning the differant sizes. I think I would still have problems even then.

[DaveyBoy]

yes it does apply, if you specify a certain cell to be x amount of pixels high, then it will be, all of the cells in one row will be the same height though.

[TeKBuzz]

Either way I think you need to adjust the slicing, cuz if you look above the blank space around the links and above links with 49 height there is a brown line and above the 47 inch ones there is a black line and an outline to the link. Just incase you didn't notice that's why I was pointing it out really.

[DaveyBoy]

yeah it can't have been sliced properly either, did you use the slice tool or just do it yourself? I do it myself but maybe you'll find the slice tool easier for now?

[docquesting]

Naw I dont mess with the slice tool I use the thing in upper right hand corner and ctrl c and ctrl v over to new image. Yes I did do it myself. I do know what I did wrong I sliced each individual one instead of doing whole thing and then dividing it.

[DaveyBoy]

it's because when you do that, you're gonna miss some pixels off, you need to slice it so that no pixels in between the buttons are missing, otherwise it'll happen like it has.