Webbot includes -DW, front page or FTP?

[countingsheep]

I may be too green at this to know, but, I need to update an include page (webbot include) in order to show a new link, and when I try to update in DW , the main page has the include commented out. BUT if I update the actual page that is the include, no changes are made when viewing publicly. I have an antiquated version of Front page (2000) and its been so long since I have used it that I actually forget how. I also thought maybe doing it by FTP but the changed didnt show there either. The "include" page is showing my new link in the code, but none of the public pages show the new link? What am I doing wrong? And can you please explain the difference in a webbot include and a SSI include? There are a ton of pages on this site and I do not want to update each page individually?

[HTMLBasicTutor]

Because... Webbot is a Microsoft thing. i.e. it only works in FP or another MS product like Expression Web.

webbot include
Is a design time include function of MS products. You update the include, press a button and all pages that use that include are updated on your computer. You then FTP the changed pages to your web space.

SSI include
SSI = Server Side Include
These only work on the server. You can build the rest of your pages around the includes coding but you won't see the page assembled until you upload everything to the web serve.

[Bob Barr]

Originally Posted by HTMLBasicTutor

SSI include
SSI = Server Side Include
These only work on the server. You can build the rest of your pages around the includes coding but you won't see the page assembled until you upload everything to the web serve.

I always test my SSI includes on my local computer before uploading them. I test them with WAMP. (Other Apache packages for Windows and Mac are available such as Xampp and mamp.)

[HTMLBasicTutor]

Originally Posted by Bob Barr

I always test my SSI includes on my local computer before uploading them. I test them with WAMP. (Other Apache packages for Windows and Mac are available such as Xampp and mamp.)

Ya you could to that or upload to a test folder on the web server.

Was trying to point out the difference between MS includes (design time) and server includes.

[countingsheep]

Originally Posted by HTMLBasicTutor

Because... Webbot is a Microsoft thing. i.e. it only works in FP or another MS product like Expression Web.

Ok, if the server has front page turned off, then can Expression web be used in place of it for updating? Or no?

webbot include
Is a design time include function of MS products. You update the include, press a button and all pages that use that include are updated on your computer. You then FTP the changed pages to your web space.

If I FTP just the updated the include, which is the only page I am changing SHOULD the change show publicly?

SSI include
SSI = Server Side Include
These only work on the server. You can build the rest of your pages around the includes coding but you won't see the page assembled until you upload everything to the web serve.

Thank you for the explanation using terms that I understand, I always wondered the difference.

[Bob Barr]

Originally Posted by HTMLBasicTutor

Ya you could to that or upload to a test folder on the web server.

Was trying to point out the difference between MS includes (design time) and server includes.

No problem, I was just trying to let countingsheep know that uploading to his server wasn't necessarily required to test pages with SSI in them.

[countingsheep]

Originally Posted by Bob Barr

No problem, I was just trying to let countingsheep know that uploading to his server wasn't necessarily required to test pages with SSI in them.

Thank you, the site is using webbot includes, and it isnt my site, I just make adjustments to the page from time to time, so, I cant change that part, just need to add a link to the "include" page but I am having trouble getting it to publish and show publicly.

[HTMLBasicTutor]

Originally Posted by countingsheep

Thank you for the explanation using terms that I understand, I always wondered the difference.

Originally Posted by countingsheep

Ok, if the server has front page turned off, then can Expression web be used in place of it for updating? Or no?

Yes Expression Web can be used IF you do not use any old FP functions that required FP extensions on the server.

Originally Posted by countingsheep

If I FTP just the updated the include, which is the only page I am changing SHOULD the change show publicly?

No that will not work.

You have update the applicable pages via FP or EW on your computer. MS includes are a design time include meaning you get to see the changes as you design, once you tell the program to update the pages including the include. They are not server side includes.

[countingsheep]

Originally Posted by HTMLBasicTutor

No that will not work.

You have update the applicable pages via FP or EW on your computer. MS includes are a design time include meaning you get to see the changes as you design, once you tell the program to update the pages including the include. They are not server side includes.

I think you tried to explain this to me in the first message, but, its not sinking in. Forgive me while I try to figure this out. So, I can make the change using FP and save it to my pc and then upload via FTP and that will work or am I way over in left field? I dont have EW, just FP and DW..

[HTMLBasicTutor]

Open the site in FP.

Make the change to the include.

Make FP update the pages that use that include:

To update the included content merely open the include page and edit the contents and save. Next time FrontPage recalculates and refreshes the website all the pages that this include page is inserted on will all have that content updated, saving you hours of time. This is why it is particularly good for customised navigation bars. If you don’t want to wait, go to Tools | Recalculate Hyperlinks and a box will appear. Click Yes and FrontPage proceeds with the recalculation.

FrontPage 2002 Tutorials - Adding functionality to your website with FrontPage 2002 Part III ~ Included Content.

Upload the updated pages to the web server. You do not have to upload the includes folder. It is for internal use within FP.

[countingsheep]

Originally Posted by HTMLBasicTutor

Open the site in FP.

Make the change to the include.

Make FP update the pages that use that include:

FrontPage 2002 Tutorials - Adding functionality to your website with FrontPage 2002 Part III ~ Included Content.

Upload the updated pages to the web server. You do not have to upload the includes folder. It is for internal use within FP.

This is what I get when I try to publish using FP:
The web server does not appear to have any authentication methods enabled. It asked for user authentication, but did not send a WWW-Authentication header.

[HTMLBasicTutor]

Why don't you try using FileZilla instead?

Which ever method you use, you will need:
-the FTP url
-the user name
-the password

[countingsheep]

Originally Posted by HTMLBasicTutor

Why don't you try using FileZilla instead?

Which ever method you use, you will need:
-the FTP url
-the user name
-the password

I have that info, and have FileZilla, but, what exactly do I upload since the only page that is changed is the "include" page? Do I publish EVERY page that has the include code on it?

[HTMLBasicTutor]

Originally Posted by countingsheep

Do I publish EVERY page that has the include code on it?

Yes, once you have gotten FP to update all the pages that had that include.

In FileZilla, you can click the date modified a couple of times so it will sort the listing with the most recently updated pages at the top of the list.

[countingsheep]

Originally Posted by HTMLBasicTutor

Yes, once you have gotten FP to update all the pages that had that include.

In FileZilla, you can click the date modified a couple of times so it will sort the listing with the most recently updated pages at the top of the list.

Ok, I am getting closer to understanding what needs done. Thank you. Please forgive me for being so slow at catching on. How do I get FP to update all pages that has that include other than going through it manually? Is there instructions for that somewhere... if I knew the correct terminology, I may be able to find the answer without pestering you. Just on a time restraint and have someone waiting for this to be updated.

[countingsheep]

Dont answer this! Shame on me for not reading your instructions correctly. Let me try what you said to do in a previous post and if I have trouble, I may (more than likely WILL) be back.

[countingsheep]

Originally Posted by HTMLBasicTutor

Yes, once you have gotten FP to update all the pages that had that include.

In FileZilla, you can click the date modified a couple of times so it will sort the listing with the most recently updated pages at the top of the list.

Ok, I followed your directions by "pushing the button" in FP but some sub directories didnt update? I checked and it is using the same include as the others? Any ideas of what I didnt do?

[countingsheep]

Originally Posted by HTMLBasicTutor

Yes, once you have gotten FP to update all the pages that had that include.

In FileZilla, you can click the date modified a couple of times so it will sort the listing with the most recently updated pages at the top of the list.

Thank you for your help!! I appreciate it! I have it all fixed now