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Old 12-10-2008, 10:59 AM
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(Graphic Pic Warning) Suicide should be legal, abortion shouldn't

WARNING: There are abortion pictures in this post that some may consider very disturbing. If you do not want to see these pictures, close this thread now. [edit: warning added]

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Interesting article:




http://sonjatierney.com/?p=46

Doesn't look as cute as it sounds anymore, does it?
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:03 AM
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I have two boys...this is very disturbing to me...but I can't help but wonder what their lives would be like unwanted in this world...but at least they'd have some chance.
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:10 AM
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man, thats some not nice pictures. wish i didn't see them.
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:18 AM
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man, thats some not nice pictures. wish i didn't see them.
Right, but I think people should know what abortion really is before making up their minds about it one way or another.
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Old 12-10-2008, 12:13 PM
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Putting the images up here on V7N is thoughtless at best. Let me tell you upfront that there are people out there who could be easily psychologically affected by these images. You do not want to give anyone PTSD simply because you wish to further your cause.

I believe abortion is wrong, too but I also care for the psychological well-being of fellow netizens.
 
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Old 12-10-2008, 03:31 PM
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I think people and especially some politicians try to downplay what abortion really is. Maybe I should have put up a warning in the title, but I cannot edit that.
So I still believe it is good to have these pictures for those who preach pro choice.
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Old 12-10-2008, 03:47 PM
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A warning has been noted in the title.
 
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Old 12-10-2008, 03:51 PM
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Not sure this forum is the right place for those pictures but I do agree that they need to be seen.

After all it is not a choice. It is a life.

If you kill an innocenct one you should have a big case of PTSD. So no sympathy from me on that account.
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Old 12-10-2008, 03:59 PM
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Cheap way of shocking people into an opinion Mike. Pictures of slaughterhouses and the chicken industry will most probably make people look different at eating meat, but that too doesn't mean that people shouldn't eat meat.

What are you going to do next Mike? Show us kiddyporn to display that you're against it?
 
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Old 12-10-2008, 04:04 PM
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Feel free to debate the TOPIC, but I will not allow treating any of our members with disrespect. The thread title has a picture warning, and the topic is located in the politics forum, exactly where it belongs.
 
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I am pro abortion with limits - if my wife/daughter gets rapped and get pregnant, I don't think they should HAVE to keep the baby and have something growing inside them that reminds them the trauma they have been through.

I understand people who are against abortion. I hope they would understand us to.

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@ cricket - I read that thread without seeing the warning because I clicked on it when it appeared on the home page of v7n - in this case, the title is too long and only: "Suicidal should be legal..." appears.

Therefore the warning argument is not receivable. Post a link and say that in the article linked to, there is pictures that might shock people. I was forced into that.

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I think they both should be illegal. There's no need for either. The hands of time secures death, just as sure as mother nature herself collects her own weeds. No need to speed up one's death or any other's. Suicide and murder are both great sins. The gift of life and the possibilities of that life are too precious a gift to squander.
 
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@ cricket - I read that thread without seeing the warning because I clicked on it when it appeared on the home page of v7n - in this case, the title is too long and only: "Suicidal should be legal..." appears.
The title has been reversed.
 
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The title has been reversed.
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Cheap way of shocking people into an opinion Mike. Pictures of slaughterhouses and the chicken industry will most probably make people look different at eating meat, but that too doesn't mean that people shouldn't eat meat.

What are you going to do next Mike? Show us kiddyporn to display that you're against it?
It's real Ferre. This is what is being done. People have to understand what it is that they want to assign freedom of choice to.
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This is so amazingly sad, but I do want people to look at those pictures regardless, so next time someone asks you where you stand on abortion, at least face looking at those pictures before you say it is the woman's body only and that the kid doesn't count.

Why bring up kiddie porn Ferre. Fortunately nobody on this forum is trying to legalize it (I sure hope so).
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Mike, you are talking to someone who lives in a culture where this whole discussion has been debated and settled already a long time ago. In my opinion it's not up to men to decide about this issue, it's not us getting pregnant and it's not us going through the emotions which makes a woman decide not to bare a child.

For you as a man to be such an advocate against abortions is just poking your nose in affairs that you have no business with whatsoever. People have the right to their own choices even when those choices are not cool in the eyes of religious zealots. Governments have no business in people's private lives either and have no jurisdiction on people's own bodies in my book.

When you do not want your own wife/girlfriend to have an abortion when she's pregnant from you, fine, that's your good right but invading into other people's private lives with moralizing laws is another thing altogether, some things are just not ours or the governments' business, some things are private matters and in the case of abortion that matter only concerns the woman who does it, her partner if there is one and her doctor, no one elses business and certainly no puritan christian politician's business in my view, they need to stay out of people's private lives, that's the job for doctors and priests.
 
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Suppose we should outlaw suicide too, cuz it looks just as gruesome...


 
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Abortion? Only with a side of mayo.



Ham sandwiches anyone?

I've still yet to hear a convincing argument about how human life is in anyway better than an animals, if you're not allowed to bring "god" into the argument.
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