Israel: Always the Victim

[pgzn]

None? You mean to say there have been no condemnations from Shamnesty about these same murders/attacks that happened during the time Israel was defending themselves the past week?

How about this -
I'll give you $1000 for every moslem on moslem or moslem on christian attack Shamnesty Intl. or the UN has condemned, if you give me $1 for every murder or attack they haven't condemned.

Blanket, vague condemnation doesn't count.

[RichDev]

It doesn't matter if Hamas fired 8000 missiles and killed no one. Israel still has the right to defend their people from the terrorists.

[MCSally]

Originally Posted by RichDev

It doesn't matter if Hamas fired 8000 missiles and killed no one. Israel still has the right to defend their people from the terrorists.

I agree. The fact that they are always prone to other countries invading their territory.

[Ferre]

60 Minutes Report on the Palestinian/Isreali problem and the growing West Bank Settlements;

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwa...tes/index.html

With video; an eye opener, for those who have been feeding themselves with mainstream media information.

[asavantage]

The world needs insist on a seize fire. The world needs to pull together and monitor the situation. If the seizefire is broken, they should hunt down the perpetrators as they would any terrorist activity.

[pgzn]

Originally Posted by asavantage

The world needs insist on a seize fire. The world needs to pull together and monitor the situation. If the seizefire is broken, they should hunt down the perpetrators as they would any terrorist activity.

For how long should they hunt down the perpetrators?
Until the first civilian is killed while the perpetrators are being hunted down?
And then what? We should insist that the perpetrators hunting the perpetrator hunters immediately ceasefire, or we hunt them down?

There's one answer that will work, kill all of Hamas, don't stop till they're all dead.

And what's this "we" nonsense. Don't include me in your "we". I could care less about "we". Everytime I hear someone state "we should this, and we should that" I want to puke.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by pgzn

There's one answer that will work, kill all of Hamas, don't stop till they're all dead.

Define; "Hamas"

[pgzn]

Any person loyal to the Hamas party, or military, and all of their physical assets including churches, worldwide.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by pgzn

Any person loyal to the Hamas party, or military, and all of their physical assets including churches, worldwide.

Can you explain which physical assets and churches belong to Hamas, worldwide?

And can you explain what you define as "loyal to the Hamas party"?

[ranter]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Define; "Hamas"

• One word description imbeciles.
• Someone who have no use for his brains and doesn't know how to negotiate his benefits.
• Who act on emotions instead of common sense ignoring the fact that other site have bigger guns.
• Who have no regard to human life and pain he causes to others and will kill his Palestinian's brothers .
• Who hates his own children and willing to sacrifice them by putting his family as a shield and then, for publicity stunt’s parade dead children to make sure Ferre can call Israelis criminals.
• Who knows how successfully to push right buttons to make weak-minded sobs demonstrate in support of killers with vengeance.

More to come

[FocalPoint]

Israel has refused to let Human Rights groups see the damage. It never hurts those who are blindly pro-Israel to see another side to this war....but usually they won't look....

Israel: Stop Shelling Crowded Gaza City
Effect of 155mm Artillery Indiscriminate in Populated Areas
JERUSALEM - January 16 - Israel's use of heavy artillery in residential areas of Gaza City violates the prohibition under the laws of war against indiscriminate attacks and should be stopped immediately, Human Rights Watch said today. A Human Rights Watch researcher on the Israel-Gaza border on January 15, 2009, observed Israel's repeated use in the center of Gaza City of 155mm artillery shells, which inflict blast and fragmentation damage up to 300 meters away.
"Firing 155mm shells into the center of Gaza City, whatever the target, will likely cause horrific civilian casualties," said Marc Garlasco, senior military analyst at Human Rights Watch. "By using this weapon in such circumstances, Israel is committing indiscriminate attacks in violation of the laws of war."

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert apologized for the attack, but said Israeli forces had come under fire from the UN compound. "It is absolutely true that we were attacked from that place, but the consequences are very sad and we apologize for it," he said.

Is Israel Using Illegal Weapons in Its Offensive on Gaza?
by Amira Hass

The earth shaking under your feet, clouds of choking smoke, explosions like a fireworks display, bombs bursting into all-consuming flames that cannot be extinguished with water, mushroom clouds of pinkish-red smoke, suffocating gas, harsh burns on the skin, extraordinary maimed live and dead bodies.

The Israeli army on Monday insisted all weapons being used in its Gaza war were within the bounds of international law amid accusations it was using white phosphorus and other deadly munitions. (AFP/Jack Guez)All of this is being caused by the bombs Israel is dropping on the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip, according to reports and testimonies from there. Since the first day of the Israeli aerial attack, people have been giving exact descriptions of the side effects of the bombing, and claiming that Israel is using weapons and ammunition that they have not seen during the past eight years.

The fireworks-like explosions, the thick smoke, suffocating gas, and flames that are not extinguished by water, but rather are heightened by it - all of these are characteristic of the white phosphorus bombs the IDF is using. Garlasco believes the decision to make such extensive use of these bombs, manufactured by America's General Dynamics Corporation, stems from conclusions drawn from the Second Lebanon War, in which the IDF lost many tanks.

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2009/01/16-2

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/01/16-0

[asavantage]

Can't see the word "we" in that text. However, if someone fires a bullet, then an atom bomb is NOT the just response. The military have to go in until they have found the trouble makers.

[antirem]

Isreal is just as bad as palestein.. us americans need to stop supporting their actions.

[newcyber]

but unfair of woman and children that who uncomprehending anything become the victims

[asavantage]

that the grim reality of war, fuelled by terrorism, because the do not know how to talk - cave men

[shahab6]

at least it's over for now,

[JasonSEO]

Yes, Israel IS the victim.
However, Gaza's civillians are victims too, victims of Hamas.

[pgzn]

Found an olde New York Times newspaper. It seems history is doomed for repeation

[Ferre]

So?

What's the point there pgzn? That the New York Times (like many other newspapers) was a mouthpiece for the nazis? We already knew that, learn your history dude.

[backgammonnn123]

Its amazing how most people here in America know everytime when hamas fires a rocket but never know when israel builds yet another settlement, and i dont hear enough people protesting this colonization.