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Old 02-10-2009, 07:46 AM
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Lollypops for everyone!
Sounds socialist
 
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Old 02-10-2009, 07:50 AM
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Okay. Lollypops for everyone, EXCEPT John.
 
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Old 02-11-2009, 12:13 AM
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So, yes, I'm not ready to give in to the totalitarian democracy, no matter how fashionable it is.

You mean "beneficial"?

 
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Old 02-11-2009, 01:47 AM
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You mean "beneficial"?

No, I don't. I don't believe violating an individual's rights is ever beneficial, all things considered.
 
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Old 02-11-2009, 06:10 AM
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Well done, John, you've turned your welcome back thread into an uncomfortable situation.
 
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Old 02-11-2009, 06:13 AM
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Well done, John, you've turned your welcome back thread into an uncomfortable situation.
I'm quite comfortable. Can't imagine why anybody wouldn't be comfortable.
 
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Old 02-11-2009, 07:16 AM
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HAHA, someone actually moved this into Politics. Gold.
 
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Old 02-11-2009, 10:39 AM
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No, I don't. I don't believe violating an individual's rights is ever beneficial, all things considered.
Just curios.
Since when totalitarian regime became fashionable thing and since when America became one-party rule?


Last time I checked, Republicans were very much alive screaming and kicking, kicking and screaming lauder than ever.

 
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Old 02-11-2009, 11:07 AM
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Just curios.
Since when totalitarian regime became fashionable thing
I'm thinking it was sometime in the 90's. Of course, history is littered with instances of popular support for totalitarian states.

When the state is employed to regulate every aspect of private life, then it's totalitarian. When it does so with democratic (Liberals, to be specific), then it's totalitarian democracy.

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since when America became one-party rule?
Is this addressed to me? Who said anything about one party rule?

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Last time I checked, Republicans were very much alive screaming and kicking, kicking and screaming lauder than ever.
Again, is this addressed to me? I don't see that I made reference to the Republicans. Are you confused?
 
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Old 02-11-2009, 11:34 AM
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Are you confused?
Yes, I am

When you said “So, yes, I'm not ready to give in to the totalitarian democracy, no matter how fashionable it is” I made assumption that you are talking about U.S.
If I was wrong, then to whom you are point your finger when you say Totalitarian Democracy?

 
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I made assumption that you are talking about U.S.
That's one assumption that would be correct. Where did the other two assumptions come from?
 
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Old 02-11-2009, 11:53 AM
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That's one assumption that would be correct. Where did the other two assumptions come from?
1. Totalitarian in politics among others = one-party
2. U.S. people elected Democrat as their President

I surprised that such a simple logic simply escaped your mind

 
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Old 02-11-2009, 12:02 PM
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1. Totalitarian in politics among others = one-party
2. U.S. people elected Democrat as their President

I surprised that such a simple logic simply escaped your mind

Who is talking about the president? I'm sorry, but are you having a discussion with an imaginary friend? Did somebody claim that the US did not elect Obama?

And what's this "Totalitarian in politics among others = one-party"? It isn't quite a meaningful sentence, but I'm guessing that you mean to imply that a requirement of totalitarianism is single party statehood.

If I wanted to imply that the US was a single party state, I would have said something like, um, I don't know, maybe, "the US is a single party state".

But I didn't say that. I referred to it as totalitarian. I further added, for clarification, that "When the state is employed to regulate every aspect of private life, then it's totalitarian. When it does so with democratic (Liberals, to be specific), then it's totalitarian democracy."

Did you miss that part?

The meaning of totalitarian that I am referring to should be utterly and unmistakably clear:

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of or relating to a political regime based on subordination of the individual to the state and strict control of all aspects of the life and productive capacity of the nation especially by coercive measures
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totalitarian - A type of government that has total control over all aspects of its citizen's lives.
 
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I'm thinking it was sometime in the 90's. Of course, history is littered with instances of popular support for totalitarian states.
Now I confused even more.

In the light of all your following statements how Totalitarian Democracy happened to be fashionable item in a first place?
What are you trying to say when you are labeling Totalitarian Democracy fashionable?

 
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Old 02-11-2009, 12:45 PM
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In the light of all your following statements how Totalitarian Democracy happened to be fashionable item in a first place?
In light of what following statements? Are you referring to my preceding statements?

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What are you trying to say when you are labeling Totalitarian Democracy fashionable?
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being or in accordance with current social fashions; "fashionable clothing"; "the fashionable side of town"; "a fashionable cafe"
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If this is the best answer you could come with, then I done my job well.

BTW, Smart man, thank you for negative reputation, eh.

 
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Old 02-11-2009, 12:58 PM
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If this is the best answer you could come with, then I done my job well.
What is your job? To assume things, ignore the discussion, and make off the wall remarks about Republicans, and then pretend you don't know what "fashionable" means?

Yes, if that's your job, you've done a smash-up job of it.

 
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Old 02-11-2009, 01:31 PM
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What is your job? To assume things, ignore the discussion, and make off the wall remarks about Republicans, and then pretend you don't know what "fashionable" means?

Yes, if that's your job, you've done a smash-up job of it.

Then stop making senseless statements.

Never in the history of civilizations Totalitarian regime has been and, I’m sure never will be classified as fashionable.
So, next time just watch your language when you’re making up your statements and you’ll be fine.

 
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Old 02-11-2009, 01:57 PM
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Ranter, I have to protest. Here you are making false statements, which I then have to rebut, and it wastes everybody's time. If you would educate yourself on issues before running your mouth, we'd all be better off.

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Never in the history of civilizations Totalitarian regime has been and, I’m sure never will be classified as fashionable.
In the history of civilization, totalitarian civilizations are quite often popular. When the morality being forcibly imposed on the people if a morality shared by the many, it's going to result in a fashionable totalitarianism. Both Hitler and Mussolini were hugely popular as they instituted totalitarian regimes. Their totalitarianism reflected the morality of the masses.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, there were millions of people calling for a return to the Soviet form of totalitarianism. Many religious totalitarian regimes, likewise, enjoyed popular support from the religious masses.

Many, many Chinese support the totalitarian regime that they live under. Many, many Americans support the totalitarian regime that they put in power.

Ironically enough, the Chinese actually have more freedoms in many areas of their life (and less in other areas).

There is hardly anything a person can do in the US that does not bring them face to face with a government all-too-eager to encroach on individual freedom.

My Japanese friends, when they come back from visiting the US are amazed. They tend to say, "I thought America was a free country. They aren't". Several Japanese friends have referred to it as a police state.

The laws prohibiting consumption of alcohol. The numerous bans on smoking. The seatbelt laws. LA Liberals banning fast food restaurants. The excessive employment laws. the restrictions on travel. The whole machinery that makes building a house a nightmare. The laws restricting freedom in every aspect of one's life. No, that's not a free country.

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So, next time just watch your language when you’re making up your statements and you’ll be fine
Should I conform my language to cater to idiots who have no education?
 
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John's posting makes complete sense to me. Obama was democratically elected. It was very fashionable to support him, so much so that the main stream network TV stations and newspapers were extremely selective on what information they would release about him. His Marxist associations from his youth, his luncheons with a Palestinian terrorist as Senator, were all covered up by the media.

Marxism is associated with totalitarianism. As a Constitutional law professor, Obama advocated the US Constitution should be interpreted to guarantee economic equality, just as it was on equal education when busing was instituted in the nation -- but the media refuses to cover this also. Right now he is trying to take control over the US census in 2010, contrary to statute, which stipulates it is to be directed by the Commerce Secretary, apparently in a power move to eliminate the Republican Party.

Many people in the nation believe, that supporting Obama is a move toward democratic totalitarianism, but doing so seems to be very fashionable.
 
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