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Old 02-11-2009, 02:09 PM
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Many people in the nation believe, that supporting Obama is a move toward democratic totalitarianism, but doing so seems to be very fashionable.

One of my recently favorite sayings: Totalitarianism is difficult to recognize when it's your own morality being forcibly imposed on people.

I think it's just mind boggling the rate at which the Liberals legislate away freedom. It's astonishing. It puts the other totalitarian regimes to shame.

But they can no doubt be proud of our incarceration rate. No major totalitarian regime even comes close to our rate of incarceration.
 
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Old 02-11-2009, 02:24 PM
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One of my recently favorite sayings: Totalitarianism is difficult to recognize when it's your own morality being forcibly imposed on people.
Indeed, people don't see what is coming when totalitarianism is involved.

Obama had a 20 year association with a church that preached "God D_mn America." He said he had no idea that was preached there. But he ran on the position that it is time to change America. Does he mean change it from everything it stood for as a free nation to a Marxist state?

Wright's church preached "Liberation Theology." What is that? Liberation Theology upholds that the Gospels preach a form of Marxism.

No one can put 2 and 2 together. But they only focus on where is the next buck coming from. And the Supreme Court decisions that have permitted Marxist principles to take hold in our country are really based on the justices knowing they can count on an ignorance of American history by the public, that the bases and ultimate significance of their rulings will never be understood.
 
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Old 02-11-2009, 02:35 PM
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In the history of civilization, totalitarian civilizations are quite often popular. When the morality being forcibly imposed on the people if a morality shared by the many, it's going to result in a fashionable totalitarianism.
What is really amazes me that you are trying to define an oxymoron by trying to sell it as some legitimate philosophical concept.

Are we talking here about the same forcibly imposed totalitarian regime, the one that hated by masses?

I am talking about present totalitarian regime (according to you), which imposed on you John, by your recently elected government.
To what extend this regime is fashionable with you John?

 
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Old 02-11-2009, 02:44 PM
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Are we talking here about the same forcibly imposed totalitarian regime, the one that hated by masses?
Which was hated by the masses?
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In the history of civilization, totalitarian civilizations are quite often popular. When the morality being forcibly imposed on the people if a morality shared by the many, it's going to result in a fashionable totalitarianism. Both Hitler and Mussolini were hugely popular as they instituted totalitarian regimes. Their totalitarianism reflected the morality of the masses.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, there were millions of people calling for a return to the Soviet form of totalitarianism. Many religious totalitarian regimes, likewise, enjoyed popular support from the religious masses.

Many, many Chinese support the totalitarian regime that they live under. Many, many Americans support the totalitarian regime that they put in power.
http://www.v7n.com/forums/1030302-post39.html

Don't waste my time repeating falsehoods that have already been discredited.

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I am talking about present totalitarian regime (according to you), which imposed on you John, by your recently elected government.
Not imposed on me. I live in Japan. It's imposed on Americans by the voting majority.
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To what extend this regime is fashionable with you John?
Does it serve a purpose to ask stupid questions? I'll let you think that one through on your own.
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What is really amazes me that you are trying to define an oxymoron by trying to sell it as some legitimate philosophical concept.
It is not an oxymoron to have a collectivist society impose its collectivist tendencies on the collective. It's rather inevitable, I would think.
 
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Old 02-11-2009, 03:23 PM
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Don't waste my time repeating falsehoods that have already been discredited.
Oh, come on John, stop confusing fear and lack of choice with acceptance.

Millions of Russians had no choice but to go alone with regime given that Stalin managed to kill 40 millions of them and millions that you’re talking about are the one who had lost ererything after political changes, the communists. Both Hitler and Mussolini instituted totalitarian regimes way after they came to power and at the times when their people start waking up to reality. Spain risen against Franco’s totalitarian regime in civil war in 1936.

So, stop selling totalitarian regimes as fashionable item, be nice boy and admit that you made verbal blender, sort of blooper and enjoy your life ever after

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Old 02-11-2009, 03:44 PM
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Oh, come on John, stop confusing fear and lack of choice with acceptance.
I'm not. Provide an example of where I confused fear and lack of choice with acceptance.

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Millions of Russians had no choice but to go alone with regime given that Stalin managed to kill 40 millions of them and millions that you’re talking about are the one who had lost ererything after political changes, the communists.
There are still millions of communists in the world, in Russia, in China, in even in Japan, even in my family, who would support a totalitarian government. If you are so uneducated that you do not realize that, I doubt you can add much value to the conversation.
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Both Hitler and Mussolini instituted totalitarian regimes way after they came to power and at the times when their people start waking up to reality.
Again, you're spreading misinformation. The height of Hitler's approval rating was well after he had exerted totalitarian control on the populace. Even then, in voting monitored by neutral observers and found to be free from intimidation, he received 99% of the vote.



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Spain risen against Franco’s totalitarian regime in civil war in 1936.
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So, stop selling totalitarian regimes as fashionable item, be nice boy and admit that you made verbal blender, sort of blooper and enjoy your life ever after
They are fashionable with the people who support them, and if large numbers support them they are fashionable.

You know, you might want to think once in a while. Think, perhaps, about the laws against marijuana. You see very wide support for state control there. How about laws against strip bars, against smoking, against drinking alcohol, against thousands of perceived "social ills". That's why totalitarian regimes have been so popular. For the most part, they impose the morality of the masses on everybody.

I was speaking to a Chinese guy. He denied that China was totalitarian. He said all the rules were for the good of society. Same thing Liberal say, isn't it?



 
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Old 02-11-2009, 04:22 PM
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So, stop selling totalitarian regimes as fashionable item, be nice boy and admit that you made verbal blender, sort of blooper and enjoy your life ever after
There is no verbal blunder here whatsoever. It appears you simply do not have a correct understanding of history and current events. I think you should let the matter drop. John's characterization is 100% accurate. The problem appears to be your own misunderstanding.
 
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Old 02-11-2009, 04:33 PM
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They are fashionable with the people who support them, and if large numbers support them they are fashionable.
fashionable??? Hmmmm..... What is the word I'm looking in here for? hmmmm.... hmmmm....

Oh, I know...... beneficial

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Old 02-11-2009, 04:47 PM
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fashionable??? Hmmmm..... What is the word I'm looking in here for? hmmmm.... hmmmm....

Oh, I know...... beneficial
Do you have something to say? If so, you might want to format it into a sentence instead of beating around the bush. It would appear that you mean to imply that totalitarianism is beneficial. Is that what you want to say? It's hard to decipher a meaning when you aren't using adult sentences.
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Old 02-11-2009, 04:48 PM
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John's characterization is 100% accurate. The problem appears to be your own misunderstanding.
I would venture a guess that it is feigned misunderstanding. Liberals like to legislate away every last freedom, but don't like to be called on it.
 
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Mr. Scott went away? Guess I've been under a rock, or possibly a little too drunk.

Welcome back Mr. Scott.
 
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Old 02-11-2009, 05:37 PM
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^ Mr Scott went away?

Nevermind that, who is this crazed person you speak of?
 
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^ Mr Scott went away?

Nevermind that, who is this crazed person you speak of?
Mr. Scott aka John Scott?
 
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Liberals like to legislate away every last freedom, but don't like to be called on it.
Notice how Obama keeps associating himself with Lincoln, and the media is pushing the image as well. So why are they using that image? Lincoln freed the slaves. Karl Marx wanted to free the world from being enslaved by capitalism. That's what Liberation Theology is about, at the church Comrade Obama attended for so long. So is he pushing the image because he is going to free us from the slavery of capitalism, just like Lincoln freed the slaves?

Is it that he doesn't want to be called on it, or he lives in a delusion? He thinks he's going to set me free. "Let my people go on to socialism." You know, like Lenin set the Russians free. The RAW DEAL he is having Congress pass may be the first step. But who will free us from the debt and inflation?
 
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But who will free us from the debt and inflation?
You must free yourself laddie!

Sorry, but I must interject on this discussion here. With all due respect to the "Welcome Back John!" thread and he who started it. I guess there's no better way to welcome back sir John with a ripping debate -huh?

I just wanted to add to all this about Totalitarianism, Obama and Socialism. This country has and always will be an Oligarchy. For those of you who don't know what this is... Oligarchy

Many other countries are governed by this same set up. No I might not like it, nor may you but this is just the way it is -IMO.

One example of this truth I can give is the theory of the Illuminata. Not much can be said in this arena, but the theory alone of such a group well proceeds its self with a high 'probability of fact'.

In my opinion Obama is/will be just like every other President the United States has had. He will have to follow the Orders of his superiors. Most likely highly influential business men and bankers. Possibly a handful of military men and women as well. Some high priests, and controllers of the world's churches also. Mainly, the elite who hold the most validated currency.

So as long as this grip on the people is dressed up in the most desirable means, the people will always be in its sway. Nothing personal me thinks, just business.
 
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There may be aspects of oligarchy in America, but no clear cut oligarchy rule and no precise model upon which it is based. There could be competing oligarchies, and there are competing power bases in general, including the power of the election and the American voter. However, the media has definitely made a move to acquire more power and restructure American society, by going from being extremely biased to political activism, as witnessed in the last presidential election. And in any oligarchy, there is fluctuation in and competition for power, which could result in a society going from a Caesar to an Augustus.
 
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True.

But most of the sting pulling will always be going on behind the scenes. So there's no way to actually know who is on who's payroll. Unless you're part of the Company somehow.
 
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True.

But most of the sting pulling will always be going on behind the scenes. So there's no way to actually know who is on who's payroll. Unless you're part of the Company somehow.
I think that's a bit pessimistic. Either sooner or later, we get to know quite a bit about the string pulling, and competing groups then take action. And the competing groups themselves know even more about what is going on behind the scenes with the other groups. However, what has really helped is the internet, and then camera cell phones. Information is going out fast and furious.
 
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I think that's a bit pessimistic. Either sooner or later, we get to know quite a bit about the string pulling, and competing groups then take action. And the competing groups themselves know even more about what is going on behind the scenes with the other groups. However, what has really helped is the internet, and then camera cell phones. Information is going out fast and furious.
Pessimistic? I see it as reality. The more acquainted a person can get with the reality of the situation, the more he can gather his thoughts in my opinion. And perhaps one day those really controlling the country will be exposed? But that would be a big 'what if'.

The new technology of today still couldn't uncover that information simply because what is released into the flow of information would be controlled info. They wouldn't have to necessarily authorize secret information. Or perhaps the information is already here. But who's to say anyone would believe it?

Some of the hardest things to find or to figure out have answers that lie right in front of us. But then our swollen heads will blind and get the best of us. This is a time proven fact. No matter what era or what technology exists. The mind will be the final frontier.

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^ Mr Scott went away?

Nevermind that, who is this crazed person you speak of?
Cheeks, stop taking the p!$$ out of me or else lady....

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