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Old 03-31-2009, 12:18 PM
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Thank you Muddy. Although we too don't always agree, I appreciate your last post. I can clarify for chaka42 about what I meant. This is not too hard to understand, but I do believe that it still may not be easy to keep an open mind in this arena.

What many people don't know is that the scriptures that usually come after a Saints departure is written by His followers and not actually Him (the Saint). So the religion that follows is actually written by the disciples and not the actual Holy One. And while disciples are not One with the Father themselves, there is the high possibility of errors to His teachings. Or more so than errors -misinterpretation.

Let me take an example I just learned. As I could never proclaim to know-it-all as for I am still learning to perfect my own studies and practices. Buddhism is a religion that is basically classified as a form of Atheist belief. Because according to it's Scriptures, Buddha never taught the existence of a One God or a God for that matter. This is another misinterpretation IMO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhis...hy_or_religion

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Proponents of the view that Buddhism is a philosophy argue (a) that Buddhism is non-theistic, having no particular use for the existence or non-existence of a god or gods; and (b) that religion entails theism. However, both prongs of this argument are contested by proponents of the alternative view, that Buddhism is a religion. Another argument for Buddhism qua philosophy is that Buddhism does not have doctrines in the same sense as other religions; instead, Buddhism offers specific methods for applying its philosophical principles.
I bring this up to show that not always are the philosophies, doctrines, or scriptures written after a Saint has departed are 100% correct teachings of that Saint. I've found that Buddha actually did teach a concept of God. Found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddha-nature

If you read the context here you will find that the "Buddha-principle" IS His concept of God. But he taught it from the standpoint that without realization of this 'Supreme Self', that it would only truly exist for those who've experienced it. Meaning that only those 'One' with that 'Supreme Self (God)' had true knowledge of it. So people like us, not so in-tuned could not proclaim it (Him).

This is the same teaching of all Saints. Even though they might have relayed it differently. When Christ said: "Me and the Father are One, and no one shall come to Him, but only through Me." Is just like saying the same thing. He can say this, because the Father exists for Him because only He at that time could commune with the Father. We, or Jesus's disciples can't (couldn't).

That is why I stated that both Christians and Muslims carry distorted concepts of what both Christ and Muhammad really taught. E.g. Buddha, Moses, Nanak, and Zoroaster (and even other not so popularized Saints) also taught the same things.

I hope this helps to clarify.
 
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Old 03-31-2009, 01:02 PM
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Hrm, I think we another point to challenge is your and my understanding of what a saint is. What I take from your post, those previous, is that there's some form of reverence for Saints. Is that correct?
 
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Here's the meaning I was referring to of a saint, found in the Thesaurus section of saint from: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/saint.

There are two:

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2. saint - person of exceptional holiness
holy man, holy person, angel
Buddha - one who has achieved a state of perfect enlightenment
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3. saint - model of excellence or perfection of a kind; one having no equal
There are others who are titled with the name saint. But that doesn't mean that they attained a high degree of perfection -Spiritually.

Like this definition of saint:

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saint (snt)
n.
1.
a. Abbr. St. or S. Christianity A person officially recognized, especially by canonization, as being entitled to public veneration and capable of interceding for people on earth.
b. A person who has died and gone to heaven.
c. Saint A member of any of various religious groups, especially a Latter-Day Saint.
2. An extremely virtuous person.
There is a difference between the two I feel.
 
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Found this site about Christianity and Islam in the same religion. Is this possible? Christians and Muslims actually getting along as brothers and sisters? Even ONE regarding religion? Any thoughts?

http://www.chrislam.org/index.html



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I think what happened was that someone played around with http://www.makewords.com and thought Chrislam is a cool word, it´s available as .org, so ¨let me just start a new religion and make some dough¨.
 
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Old 04-02-2009, 11:34 PM
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I think what happened was that someone played around with http://www.makewords.com and thought Chrislam is a cool word, it´s available as .org, so ¨let me just start a new religion and make some dough¨.
Well, that sounds pretty convenient to say. I checked out your site here, and it was created by an Acceli Web Solutions. And according to Who-Is, Acceli was created back in 2004.

Acceli.com - Who.is

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But Chrislam, according to the only thing I could find in wikipedia -started back in the 80's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrislam
 
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