Do you believe Homosexuals Are Not "Born That Way."?

gggorosin22 · 03-19-2009, 08:21 PM

What are your thoughts on this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300464/posts

jlhen · 03-19-2009, 09:06 PM

of corse not its on the environment around him/her & on what she/he feels

Jenie0109 · 03-20-2009, 02:01 AM

I have a lot of homosexual friends and my closest friend is gay.
We have been discussing about this and he told me that it is caused by either choice, chance or both.

It is like having a favorite food. Like, why do you love pizza? You could come up with a ton of reasons like - because it tastes good, it comes with a variety of toppings so choices are never ending, etc, etc. You could chose not to like pizza, right? You could find another food and learn to like it and eventually, forgetting pizza.

The same thing could occur to a homosexual individual. Environmental and personal judgment are just some of the factors. I recall my friend saying: "Homosexuality is a phenomenon that needs no scientist to explain." Figures..

Handyverträge · 03-20-2009, 02:15 AM

Some I think is due to influences and surroundings.

StrongInTheArm · 03-20-2009, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by gggorosin22

What are your thoughts on this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300464/posts

It is strange that you should quote the Free Republic as a reliable source for this thread. They sound like a tolerant lot of free thinkers:

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The reason why someone is gay is unimportant, it is their life, if they are not harming anyone else, it is for them to do what they wish with their bodies. Who are you or I to tell them what they are doing is natural or otherwise?

**pctec** · 03-20-2009, 05:12 AM

I do not know or have any opinion on being gay because I like boobies!
However, I can see this thread getting nasty soon... it always does with this topic...

StrongInTheArm · 03-20-2009, 05:22 AM

Yeah! I'm thinking of either moving it to the politics forum or if it gets out of hand maybe even locking it or perhaps even removing it.

I like boobies too btw, but not man boobs

Oops! I have to be careful, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say things like that anymore

gggorosin22 · 03-20-2009, 05:33 AM

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It is strange that you should quote the Free Republic as a reliable source for this thread.

dude,im not saying this is a reliable source..im just asking for their thoughts on this.

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Who are you or I to tell them what they are doing is natural or otherwise?

im not against them, i have cousins that are on the same situation..

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Yeah! I'm thinking of either moving it to the politics forum or if it gets out of hand maybe even locking it or perhaps even removing it.

its on you SITA..its all good to me..really..

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I like boobies too btw, but not man boobs

yeah..what kind of straight guy would want that SITA?

but im more into booty..namean?

BlackEyes · 03-20-2009, 06:22 AM

My opinion is they are born to be homosexual and their environment just help them to be one

**Cricket** · 03-20-2009, 10:40 AM

Moved to politics

ewomack · 03-20-2009, 10:58 AM

The "are gays natured or nurtured" conversation gets kind of old, to be honest, because there have been homosexuals at least as far back as historical records allow (Ancient Greece is only one salient example). Homosexuality is an inherent part of human nature. The reason this question arises for homosexuality and not heterosexuality is because homosexuality is seen, by some, as "deviant" and in need of explanation. There's no more need to explain homosexuality than there is to explain heterosexuality from a basic human perspective. Recent society and the status quo have emphasized heterosexuality (for reasons I can only theorize about now, but won't). Ancient Greece not only accepted homosexuality but encouraged it. I should add that I'm not homosexual, that I love my wife's boobies, etc., etc...

**Zap** · 03-21-2009, 11:57 AM

I think people are born into their sexuality, whether they like members of the opposite sex or members of the same sex or both.
To me, it's no different than any other preference.

I like the colour purple. Is that because if my environment? I doubt it. I just like the colour.
I like to swim. Part of my environment? I doubt that too.
People from all walks of life in all situations like to swim.
And, there are people from all walks of life and situations who don't like to swim.

We treat sexuality different because it's sexuality.
It's really no different than any other preference that you may have.
Some people like guys.
Some people like gals.
Some people like guys and gals.
And some people don't even like sex.

It happens.

**Muddy** · 03-21-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Zap

I think people are born into their sexuality, whether they like members of the opposite sex or members of the same sex or both.
To me, it's no different than any other preference.

I like the colour purple. Is that because if my environment? I doubt it. I just like the colour.
I like to swim. Part of my environment? I doubt that too.
People from all walks of life in all situations like to swim.
And, there are people from all walks of life and situations who don't like to swim.

We treat sexuality different because it's sexuality.
It's really no different than any other preference that you may have.
Some people like guys.
Some people like gals.
Some people like guys and gals.
And some people don't even like sex.

It happens.

I totally agree. I'm straighter than Cher's hair (well there was that bromance a while back) but I believe most folks are born gay.

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I like the colour purple. Is that because if my environment? I doubt it. I just like the colour.

Zap, I didn't know you were gay.

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**ScriptMan** · 03-21-2009, 02:37 PM

A small percentage are born that way and the rest just get sucked into it.

Seriously I think I would have to say ditto for what Zap said.

**~kev~** · 03-21-2009, 04:22 PM

Simple put, NO, I do not think that people are born gay.

It goes against the natural course of the species. We were designed to reproduce. Without reproduction, the human species would die off. If being gay was natural, the gene pool would have been cleaned out thousands of years ago.

Its a natural order of the species - the strong survive in order to breed and pass those genes to the next generation. Gays dont reproduce.

krahmaan · 03-22-2009, 01:24 AM

No, I don't believe they are born that way.
A man is born a man, and a woman a woman.
How is it that these things get mixed up?

(Perplexed, and confused -bad parenting me thinks)

**Zap** · 03-22-2009, 08:01 AM

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Zap, I didn't know you were gay.

That makes two of us.

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A small percentage are born that way and the rest just get sucked into it.

Seriously I think I would have to say ditto for what Zap said.

These two statements seem incongruous to me.
In the first statement, you say that only a small percentage are born gay.
In the next statement, you echo my sentiment.

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Simple put, NO, I do not think that people are born gay.

It goes against the natural course of the species. We were designed to reproduce. Without reproduction, the human species would die off. If being gay was natural, the gene pool would have been cleaned out thousands of years ago.

Its a natural order of the species - the strong survive in order to breed and pass those genes to the next generation. Gays dont reproduce.

Your statement is black and white thinking at it's best.
Life is all shades of grey.

We were designed to live. Nothing more. Everything else is a crap shoot.
In all species, along all genetic markers in the genome, there are "defects".
That term is used very loosely here, to describe non-averages.

Some people are born gay and they will never reproduce.
Some people are born with 3 thumbs and were never meant to review movies.

Fortunately, there are enough of us left that the species will continue on, and seems to be increasing in size with time. Perhaps "the gay gene" is one of nature's solutions to overpopulation and, therefore, perfectly natural.

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No, I don't believe they are born that way.
A man is born a man, and a woman a woman.
How is it that these things get mixed up?

(Perplexed, and confused -bad parenting me thinks)

Mixed up??? According to who? That sounds like a judgement.
You say that a man is born a man and a woman is born a woman but it's not that simple.
If you look at interviews with people who have had surgery to change their sex, you can almost see the woman who was born in the body of a man. It happens often enough that we created surgeries an other methods of making changes to ourselves.
Again, life isn't that simple.
There are men who like to shop and women who like hockey.

krahmaan · 03-22-2009, 02:32 PM

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Mixed up??? According to who?

According to bad parenting in my opinion. Children are born as innocent, boys and girls. They know nothing of sex, until they are taught. But if they are taught about it incorrectly, then yes -they may become highly confused. On why they were born with a penis or with a vagina. That's why I said, "How do they get that mixed up?" It's in plain view.

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You say that a man is born a man and a woman is born a woman but it's not that simple.

Yes, it is that simple. Why wouldn't it be?

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If you look at interviews with people who have had surgery to change their sex, you can almost see the woman who was born in the body of a man. It happens often enough that we created surgeries an other methods of making changes to ourselves.

But after they make the change, they must still reproduce in the natural way in which they were born (if still possible). Like that man who gave birth, was originally a woman. Same point, a man is a man, and a woman a woman -simple enough.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5302756&page=1

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Again, life isn't that simple.
There are men who like to shop and women who like hockey.

Reproduction is not an activity, like shopping or hockey. Sex can be, but producing offspring is not -this is where the confusion sets in. Producing children is serious, & not something to be taken lightly. There are higher responsibilities in child making and raising, than in shopping or sports. So when people have sex as a fun thing, they become more prone to shirking their responsibilities when such may arise. Like.. "Oops! Children -I didn't mean to do that. I was just having fun." "Why not let somebody else raise them -like my mom or the state or maybe even the streets?"

See what I mean, really, really bad parenting. We must always take responsibility even if we create Accidentes and not run away from who we are, or what we've chosen to do.

Harveyj · 03-23-2009, 10:58 PM

The level of ignorance here is astounding.

Personal anecdote: I have a gay cousin. He's amazingly super uber fairy gay... Which is fine by me because he reminds me of Jack from Will & Grace, and I love that show.
The point is that he's been that way as long as I can ever remember, and I remember him from about the time he started being able to speak.
As a kid he'd steal his older sister's dolls and clothes. Makeup too when she got old enough for it. He was always saying crap about how he wanted to move in with Barbie until he was 12, and from there it was all about his hair and Cleo magazine.
Other than his sister, there was nothing particularly feminine about the life he was being brought up in.
His dad was a construction worker, his mum was a doctor and his brother was a footballer all the way until he graduated uni with a sports therapy degree. Hell, his sister grew out of dolls and became a journalist! He went to a coed school, and was shifted into one that had a higher proportion of female students during senior highschool (his parents were hoping more girls meant he might get with one), and his dad tried to get me over a lot to help "straighten" him out with sports and general "guy stuff"

He had the most masculine upbringing of anyone I know. His parents are well to do and great people. Whilst there are guaranteed ups and downs of any family, there's never been an inkling of any dysfunction.

So the "it's all nurture" argument simply doesn't wash with me. He was pretty gay from the moment he could talk, regardless of how much his parents tried to "straighten" him out.

The bit where I quote stuff said by scienticians, because real scientists would go over your heads

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According to bad parenting in my opinion. Children are born as innocent, boys and girls. They know nothing of sex, until they are taught. But if they are taught about it incorrectly, then yes -they may become highly confused. On why they were born with a penis or with a vagina. That's why I said, "How do they get that mixed up?" It's in plain view.

Why is it that your opinion is never backed up by anythign other than your own opinion?
This notion of childhood innocence is the biggest load of rubbish EVER.
Prepubescent children are naturally curious about biological activities that they will perform as they grow up. It's inbuilt. It's why kids play "Doctors" when they're younger. There are hundreds, if not thousands of pediatric psychological studies detailing childhood sexual curiosity and roleplay.

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Yes, it is that simple. Why wouldn't it be?

It's not that simple because not all men and not all women are born that way. Some get extra chromosomes. Some get extra hormones. Some get extra sets of genitals.

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Homosexuality might be seen in animals, but its not a life style. Its more like "I'am so horny I will hump anything, including someones leg."

Your entire premise is based on the idea that sex must be for reproductive purposes. When it's entirely for pleasure, there are plenty of homosexual animals. They're animals, not idiots.
"In many species animals try to give and get sexual stimulation with others where procreation is not the aim; and homosexual behaviour has now been observed among 1,500 species and in 500 of those it is well documented" (source)