Do you believe Homosexuals Are Not "Born That Way."? - Page 8

**Muddy** · 05-03-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by krahmaan

Oh, then you must mean the goals of Lust.

Well no...the goal of lust is sex. One of the goals of sex is orgasm.

krahmaan · 05-03-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Muddy

Well no...the goal of lust is sex. One of the goals of sex is orgasm.

No, one of the goals of Lust could be orgasm or sex.

One of the things leading to reproduction IS intercourse or sex.

You've seemed to have left out reproduction altogether.

As it is with Lust.

**Muddy** · 05-03-2009, 10:49 PM

I just realized that I should have been referring to that in plural.

**Muddy** · 05-03-2009, 11:11 PM

Oh good grief K. It's so late here and you're going to make me duke this out with you aren't you? lol! Your first sentence is naturally true. Your second sentence is also true, thanks to you quantifying that's it's one of the things. As to the third, what's wrong with leaving out reproduction? My wife and I were married 16 years before we had our first child. Oh...by the way, I still lust after her.

raphnix · 05-04-2009, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Muddy

Oh good grief K. It's so late here and you're going to make me duke this out with you aren't you? lol! Your first sentence is naturally true. Your second sentence is also true, thanks to you quantifying that's it's one of the things. As to the third, what's wrong with leaving out reproduction? My wife and I were married 16 years before we had our first child. Oh...by the way, I still lust after her.

That could be the reason why you're more familiar with orgasm than sex then Muddy. This is a strong evidence aye?

**Muddy** · 05-04-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by raphnix

That could be the reason why you're more familiar with orgasm than sex then Muddy. This is a strong evidence aye?

Wha???

raphnix · 05-04-2009, 12:37 AM

^^My conclusion is that you two are both accusing each other

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Originally Posted by Muddy

Wha???

j/k

The last statement is what I pointed out. Don't worry!

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Originally Posted by Muddy

Oh...by the way, I still lust after her.

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nancyeben · 05-04-2009, 01:47 AM

I think, it is not good

**Cricket** · 05-04-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by nancyeben

I think, it is not good

You think "what" is not good? Did you read the thread topic?

ranter · 05-04-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by nancyeben

I think, it is not good

because....

Dina312 · 05-05-2009, 01:28 PM

Well, i think i'm late with this topic but i'll still share my cent. I think gay aren't born that way. They become gay because of the media and the environment they are living or perhaps they are misguided.

I think too much freedom spoiled a person. specially their way of thinking.

**Cricket** · 05-05-2009, 05:45 PM

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corneo · 05-06-2009, 12:05 AM

Back to the original question: Homosexuals Are Not "Born That Way."?

From a scientific point of view: I haven't seen any report of the "homosexual gene". Sure I heard of too many x's genes will make you more female in life (or is it y's) but nothing on gene "abc789" is the definite gay gene.

From a religious view: There is no base religion that supports homosexuality. For the Muslims it is an automatic death sentence. (here's some news stories of it. Article 1, article 2 ) So if you are a true (place your religion here) and you support homosexuality then you are a hypocrite.

I haven't done any research on this subject from the mental side of medicine. So I'll say nothing on that.

I will say that it's a very convenient excuse maker. It too easy for a person to say 'I'm gay" for their actions. Take the sexual preference out of the gay equation and it becomes very hard for a person to "prove" they are gay.

Do I believe people are gay? Yes I have gay friends just like everybody else. When I ask them if you took sex out of your relationship could you prove your any different then me and my heterosexual life? They normally answer "no".

So to the question: Do you believe Homosexuals Are Not "Born That Way."?
No I don't. There just not enough proof that they are. Just like there is no proof that a person is born a sexual predator, race car driver, killing machine or anything else.
These are traits learned.

**Muddy** · 05-09-2009, 07:28 PM

Sorry K. your logic isn't working for me in any way, shape or form so I'm going to have to leave you to your own belief. I think you're a nice guy though.

Cornbread · 05-10-2009, 07:09 AM

Infants aren't born sexual, that is something that is developed as they mature in accordance with their social environment. Homosexuality is a choice and it's definitely not the natural order of life on earth. If it was, mankind would cease to exist because it wouldn't be able to reproduce. Except for man, animals mate to reproduce.

Atom · 05-10-2009, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Cornbread

Infants aren't born sexual, that is something that is developed as they mature in accordance with their social environment. Homosexuality is a choice and it's definitely not the natural order of life on earth. If it was, mankind would cease to exist because it wouldn't be able to reproduce. Except for man, animals mate to reproduce.

This is contrary to the facts and current consensus as stated here:

http://borngay.procon.org/

and I also disagree with your last sentence as stated. A male dog, for example, reproduces because he is horny, period.

Atom · 05-10-2009, 07:51 AM

People have sex because they are horny, period. You can question why it is that people and animals are horny all day long, but that is actually inconsequential. Reproduction is, in reality, inadvertent to the primary instinct, sex. Reproduction is not a primary instinct, it is simply the inadvertent result of one.

Cornbread · 05-10-2009, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Atom

This is contrary to the facts and current consensus as stated here:

http://borngay.procon.org/

and I also disagree with your last sentence as stated. A male dog, for example, reproduces because he is horny, period.

You said it yourself, a dog reproduces, he does it out of instincts, how do you know he feels "horny" as you do? He is instinctually drawn to a female dog which has the result of keeping his species alive.

Those aren't facts and a consensus doesn't mean anything. The pro gay media is trying to confuse people with nonsense. When the gay marriage topic has been put to a vote it has almost always lost.

Sorry, babies are not born gay, they develop those twisted thoughts later in life. It is not instinctual for one man to lust after another man's hairy butt.

Atom · 05-10-2009, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cornbread

You said it yourself, a dog reproduces, he does it out of instincts, (...)

I like to take things one step at a time, please forgive me.

Nope, I did not say "a dog reproduces, he does it out of instincts". Please read my previous two posts again.

Atom · 05-10-2009, 08:12 AM

A male dog does NOT reproduce out of instinct, IMO. He DOES have sex out of instinct, again IMO.