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Old 07-13-2009, 07:25 PM
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Wouldn't the Individualist Social Contract exclude capital punishment?
By the contract, you're not allowed to impede the freedom (kill) someone who hasn't impeded your freedom.
If some guy goes out and kills some other guy, how is that interfering with your freedom?
By the contract, you'd have to leave them alone.
If not mistaken I would say that with the ISC you agree that you will protect other individuals rights to their freedom for the same respect towards yours. With this in mind then capitol punishment becomes necessary. To allow for continued threat towards either self or others would violate the contract.
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Old 07-13-2009, 07:46 PM
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If not mistaken I would say that with the ISC you agree that you will protect other individuals rights to their freedom for the same respect towards yours. With this in mind then capitol punishment becomes necessary. To allow for continued threat towards either self or others would violate the contract.
Doesn't sound too individualistic to me.
These are not the actions of the self reliant, nor the independant.
 
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Doesn't sound too individualistic to me.
These are not the actions of the self reliant, nor the independant.
How so? Is it not the action of the individual if one protects themselves or their family and property?

So then would it not stand to reason that protecting ones community/neighbors from that same threat would also be an action of combined individuals, for the sake of the individual? In other words, regardless of whether the person that is immediately threatened protects themselves or they are assisted in protection by those that are around them in an effort to protect the individual or ensure that they themselves are not threatened as well, is that not an act of the individual?

In other words, it is not necessary that one acts only alone for a person to be an individual, just that they have the choice of whether they do or do not.
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It then becomes cooperative, rather than individualistic.
 
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Nice Photo, I don't think Obama can implement his Democratic Socialism. He wants to experiment the stem cell research. The question is who will be the guinea pig of this experiment? A White Race?


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Definitely not a Nazi. Nationalism, not so much. Socialism, yeah. But Nazis also liked to kill Jews. Obama prefers killing of the unborn.
Is this United States New Auschwitz? If Hitler makes a Holocaust for Jews. Is Obama makes a new Holocaust for Fetus?

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Old 07-19-2009, 11:49 PM
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hitler HATED socialists and communits
Hilter hated communists because they were anti-progress. His socialism was very much socialistic, but it was subordinate to his nationalism.
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We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and prosperity instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.
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Wouldn't the Individualist Social Contract exclude capital punishment?
By the contract, you're not allowed to impede the freedom (kill) someone who hasn't impeded your freedom.
If some guy goes out and kills some other guy, how is that interfering with your freedom?
By the contract, you'd have to leave them alone.
That wouldn't be a social contract, would it?

http://www.individualism.com/the-ind...cial-contract/

The individualist social contract requires its parties to defend the individual freedom of other parties to the contract.

And, "you'd have to leave them alone"? Contract law: One parties to the contract reap its benefits.
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It then becomes cooperative, rather than individualistic.
All contracts are cooperative. A collectivist social contract is one whereby the collective retains sovereignty. An individualist social contract is one where the individual retains sovereignty.
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All contracts are cooperative. A collectivist social contract is one whereby the collective retains sovereignty. An individualist social contract is one where the individual retains sovereignty.
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