The Fed Bank and Thomas Jefferson.

[Allen Farlow]

In light of the present financial crisis, it's interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:

"Banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

[Zap]

That's pretty much what's happened.

[~kev~]

All of this stuff with the banks, and how bad off our government is goes back to 2 things, voters and the news.

Voters - our current economic situation is directly due to an uneducated voting populace. When you have people that are not educated on a topic, and they vote idiots in as elected officials, we can see the final result.

Also, continuing to vote for the 2 major parties is another reason. Its time to remove the Republicans and democrats from office and replace them with something like the Libertarian Party.

Over the past 16 years I have voted straight line Libertarian Party. Because they will step up and end companies like the Federal Reserve.

The News - pays more attention to pop stars then our government. The news and the news reporters are supposed to be the watch dog of the people.

Companies like the federal reserve will slip in and take what they can. Its up to the people to stop them. And it all starts with a vote. If you want REAL change in your government, its time to step up and vote different. Vote for the Libertarian Party.

[Natural Elements]

I couldn't agree with you more ~kev~

The media are a powerful tool for diverting people from the real issues.

[Allen Farlow]

Libertarian, yes. But while we are cleaning house (and senate) we need to get rid of the Electoral College so our votes actually count.

Unfortunately, that still will not rid this country of the morons who vote because the candidate has the same skin color as they do, or that they think he'll grant them amnesty and stop ICE from doing their job.

[quentin123]

Originally Posted by Allen Farlow

In light of the present financial crisis, it's interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:

"Banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

I don't know if you've ever watched the "zeitgeist" movie , but it talks about the power of banks over us government and economy and it's quite interesting ( even if you should not take everything that is said for the absolute truth)

[Atom]

Originally Posted by quentin123

I don't know if you've ever watched the "zeitgeist" movie , but it talks about the power of banks over us government and economy and it's quite interesting ( even if you should not take everything that is said for the absolute truth)

I agree. Very interesting indeed. I've watched it several times.

Yeah old TJ, he was a real character, he was.

[Natural Elements]

If some members are interested, here the 5 parts youtube video about Zeitgeist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ

[Atom]

Zeitgeist: Addendum is the best one I've seen,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...05277695921912

I haven't seen them all though.

[Natural Elements]

Remember a few months ago President Obama said" For one dollar in the system, it generates six dollars"

The question is: It generated six dollars for who?

[thegamerslink]

We just had a not to distantly different debate in Philosophy class about whether everyone should be entitled to vote. Seems our forefathers had the frame of mind to keep the unqualified and uneducated away from the voters box, they simply did so in a misguided way of course.

The problem is not the two party system, the problem is the voters unwillingness to vote according to the person and the person's true conviction/record/qualifications. Whether a person is Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, or Independent does not make my voting decision, what that person truly believes in, their moral character, and what actions they have performed in their life is what decides my vote.

I am not sure, so clarify to me, when was the last time the Electorial College went against the vote? I do propose that we stop the rezoning for benefit of vote manipulation.

[Natural Elements]

I guess it is not a matter of Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, or Independent, it is the ame concept in all systems. It doesn't matter what regime you are into, capitalist, socialist or communist. The truth is domination by money or debt. All the systems around the world are a modern slavery structure. Politic is just a label, but the product is the same.

The ennemie of the humain being is the humain being.

[thegamerslink]

It actually is extremely important that people in the U.S. be truly aware of what is going on. Since the tactics being used today are the same tactics designed 40-60 years ago, many of today's generation are clueless. Not to mention have been already swayed by the processes in use.

One is the Delphi Technique:
http://www.learn-usa.com/transformat...ess/acf001.htm

One must remember the man Saul Alinsky and what it is that he stood for and designed:
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/oba...08/189702.html

[Natural Elements]

Very interessing Thegamerslink.

I saw the Delphi Technique used by a HR director in a French company I worked for. That's very effective on some people, unfortunately for him, it did not work on me.

Another real experience on the tension between France gov and US gov before the Irak war, how the elite manipulated their people against each other. I was living in US read the American side then the French side baching each other, it was pathetic. At this time the manipulation worked well through the news paper, TV, and internet.

They manipulated very well each side opinions for their own interests or geopolitics, when you know that everything was for the domination of the Irak crude.

That tell you how powerful these people are.

[thegamerslink]

Do not forget that in this country, the U.S. there are two dominating movements in process. One is the movement of the Traditionalists, these would be the people that believe in the validity of the Constitution as it was intended to be when it was written, these include Libertarians, Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. Though the ploy is to blame the two party system on everything the fact of the matter is that it transcends the parties.

Then you have the Secular Progressive movement, these are what many refer to as the modern day Liberal, and though the intention is that they are mostly comprised of Democrats, you will find many Republicans that fit this category just as well. These Secular Progressives believe that there should be no class, that the government should provide for all equally, their chief belief is that the Constitution should be a liquid document that forms to the current times.

This is an extremely watered down explanation and not the most accurate but it gives you the jest of the idea. And it has been a movement taking place in this country since the early 1900's. With the last few administrations, the ones since the Reagan era, we have been moving closer and closer to the S-P side of things and farther away from the traditionalist way of things, Reagan as president had brought us closer to the center where the forefathers had meant for this country to be than we have been in many years prior.

[Natural Elements]

It is pretty interwoven. but that's interesting.

[Atom]

I can't quite get my head around how it's ok for some private institution to contract with the gov to print money and then charge them interest to use it.

[quentin123]

Originally Posted by Atom

I can't quite get my head around how it's ok for some private institution to contract with the gov to print money and then charge them interest to use it.

that's exactly the point : it's a vicious circle

but avery bank institution is based on that , you put your money in your bank account ( i'm not even sure you can choose not to have a bank) and they use it to make profit , and they still make you pay for that

Bankers are the poison of this world

[Natural Elements]

Watch this, there is a lot of truths:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Gl8...layer_embedded