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07-22-2009, 11:23 PM
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Do you still believe in the american dream?
I don't
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07-22-2009, 11:36 PM
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for me not at all ... i don't know why so many people wanted to go to and stay in America just to achieve there so called American dream. I mean can't they just stay in there own country to achieve there dream. It's hard if you go into another country adjusting to the environment and then here come home sick.
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07-23-2009, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by emofree
for me not at all ... i don't know why so many people wanted to go to and stay in America just to achieve there so called American dream. I mean can't they just stay in there own country to achieve there dream. It's hard if you go into another country adjusting to the environment and then here come home sick.
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Well, the grass is always greener on the other side. Most people are looking for a way out of their struggle. 
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07-23-2009, 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by emofree
for me not at all ... i don't know why so many people wanted to go to and stay in America just to achieve there so called American dream. I mean can't they just stay in there own country to achieve there dream. It's hard if you go into another country adjusting to the environment and then here come home sick.
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The adjustment isn't easy, but it's necessary sometimes.
People need to leave their home state in some cases because they can not achieve their dreams there.
That's why they come to the West.
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07-23-2009, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by emofree
for me not at all ... i don't know why so many people wanted to go to and stay in America just to achieve there so called American dream. I mean can't they just stay in there own country to achieve there dream. It's hard if you go into another country adjusting to the environment and then here come home sick.
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People who want to go or stay in America can have many different reasons.
Why do we need to stay in our own country to achieve our dream in the XXI century? The world is not only open to finance, industry, or goods, that's the modern world.
It is not so hard to adjust in another country, and it depends of how open minded and respecful people are.
Let's not focus only on immigrants, the American dream involve many permanent residents of America and American citizens.
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07-23-2009, 03:00 AM
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the american dream has been corrupted a long time ago by a bunch of greedy men
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07-23-2009, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Natural Elements
Do you still believe in the american dream?
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I most certainly do.
As the 'American' dream is nothing more than a dream. Just as we've all had inspirations and dreams while we were growing up. That is exactly what is meant by the 'American' dream. E.g. to fulfill some childhood dream to become happy and successful -I would expect.
But I kinda sorta agree with you emofree, because you bring up a good point. I also believe that if you don't know how to make it where you're currently at. Then how would you know how elsewhere?
One need not flee their homeland to learn to be responsible enough to reach desired goals. I even wrote a short book on this. Happiness or an 'American' dream is a state of mind or a comfort zone. One only needs to start thinking more realistically to reach this desired state.

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07-23-2009, 11:24 AM
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What exactly is 'the American Dream'? Is it to own your own home? Put a brand new car in the driveway? Raise a family? Make a gazillion dollars a year? Keep up with the Jones's?
Over time, the meaning of the American Dream changes, and for each individual it is different.
Some come to America simply to escape a repressive regime, for the freedom to move about at will and speak your mind that we Americans so often take for granted.
Some come to America for the opportunity for a better life than they would be able to accomplish back home.
Some come because they can own their own business here.
I walk into a grocery and look at the vast array of vegetables displayed and I am amazed. It is not something you often see in many parts of Russia or Turkey or even in many parts of Europe. Yet we have developed a system to provide the populace with fresh vegetables of all manner even in the depths of winter! It's enough to make some people cry if they could see it.
I'm not sure how to describe the American Dream, or what it even means to be an American. This country's identity has been so diluted by immigrants it's difficult to do that. And after the eight despicable years of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, I'm almost sorry to admit that I am an American.
I just watched Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 911 last night for the fourth or fifth time since it came out and I am even more disgusted with the leadership of this country, past as well as present.
This is a land of haves and have nots, and anyone with a dream will find it ever more difficult to make it a reality.
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07-23-2009, 11:49 AM
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I do, I have one of the best jobs in the world, great family, a nice house, 3 wonderful kids, a beautiful wife, 3 dogs, a cat, fish a turtle, fairly nice cars.. and I always want more, I think that's the American dream.
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07-23-2009, 05:17 PM
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Allen, the American dream is freedom, then achieve your goals in your life.
Freedom is like love, you must keep it a live every day, but when the system enslave you with credit cards, unemployment, health care debt, and foreclosure, you are losing your American dream and your freedom.
As I said I am losing my American dream because I am punished throught my business by the greed of the financial system and tax fees like many of us in this country.
I think I am losing a part of my freedom and this is very important to me.
I can also tell you that I am in US because my wife is American, I enjoy to live in this country for more than a decade, but things are getting though.
Make no mistakes, I don't know where come from the propaganda that legal immigrants benefit all of social advantages. We work for the system as you do, we pay taxes, and we contribue to this great country.
Now I can give you a very long list of the sacrifices I made to come here and numerous French social advantages I lost. I made a choice and I don't regret it a second.
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07-23-2009, 10:38 PM
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Yeah I knew adjustment really isn't easy at all it really takes time to achieve plus there are many hard ships that you will face when you are already staying home in America. Right now it's not easy to go to America just to achieve there dreams. Sometimes dreams do shattered and lose hope. I think its just a matter of faith and luck.
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07-25-2009, 12:14 AM
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Yes, the American dream is becoming a reality. The dream of imposing my morality on others, it's coming true. The dream of forcibly taking money from hard working, greedy Americans is truer now than at any point in the past. The dream of having those greedy, working Americans pay for my health care, my food, my rent, my child care and even buy me a car - it's true. Of course, they say this will bankrupt America, but I just say raise the taxes on those greedy working Americans. It's totally unfair that they should have anything that I cannot afford to have.
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07-25-2009, 08:45 AM
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I've never understood "the American Dream," though I certainly hear a lot about it. If it has something to do with being free from police and state brutality, having a choice of career, marrying who you want, reading what you want, having the ability to purchase what you want regardless of social or ecological ramifications, making as much money as you want, even if you don't need it, having a quiet, peaceful, sometimes rather shallow and meaningless life as a consumer of the output of various industries, and having a strange sense that everything's okay but not quite right at the same time, then I guess many of us qualify as having fulfilled it. I don't know. America has pros and cons and propaganda like anywhere else, but it definitely trumps a military regime like Myanmar or a theocracy like Iran in every way. I often find myself simultaneously grateful and resentful for having been born in the US. But I'd probably feel the same way somewhere else.
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07-25-2009, 10:02 AM
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I do!
I live and breath the "amercian dream" every day
I work for myself, I'm working to get my wife in the same boat (working for heself)
I hope that one day we can both run our businesses out of our house, and be able to watch our kids grow up in front of us & have the options to do whatever we want 
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07-25-2009, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Brandon Sheley
I do!
I live and breath the "amercian dream" every day
I work for myself, I'm working to get my wife in the same boat (working for heself)
I hope that one day we can both run our businesses out of our house, and be able to watch our kids grow up in front of us & have the options to do whatever we want 
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Yes, being able to watch my kid grow up and do whatever we want it's fantastic. Unfortunately my wife don't like too much the technical part of our online store which take 70% of the time to run this business.
My American dream would be to own my brick and mortar store and do other projects, but that just a dream.
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07-25-2009, 12:59 PM
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Absolutely
This is the best country with the best and smartest and innovative citizens
there is NO better place to be to prosper than America
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07-25-2009, 02:13 PM
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If the pres has his way with taxing the wealthy I plan to relocate out of country and abandon citizenship here, I refuse to have a tax rate of higher then 50 % to give medical care to people not putting their own fair share into the system.
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07-26-2009, 10:36 PM
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 Yes, I still believe in american dream even though the economy is slow or in recession.
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