Clinical Trial H1N1 Vaccine On Kids Begins

Allen Farlow · 08-20-2009, 05:33 PM

As a parent who does not trust this government, I would wonder exactly what is in that vaccine. I would want a sample so I could have it tested at a lab of my choice before I ever let my child be injected with it.

andr97 · 08-21-2009, 06:34 AM

My attitude towards all these medical treatments is the same as yours.I've heard somewhere that some countries even make experiments on people using vaczines, so take care of your baby

Natural Elements · 08-27-2009, 09:07 AM

"In the US, the state governments are responsible for these preparations, in coordination with federal agencies. In the State of Massachusetts, legislation has been introduced which envisages hefty fines and prison sentences for those who refuse to be vaccinated."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=14901

anonymously · 08-27-2009, 04:13 PM

In the UK some of the front line health workers are saying they will not have the vaccine because it has not been tested enough. Unclear what will be done except they are being told they are irresponsible and may make the situation worse by spreading the disease amongst those whom they are supposed to be caring for.

**G10** · 08-27-2009, 04:30 PM

^ Agreed.. In the uk, about a third of doctors do not want to prescribe this drug as they view it as unsafe..

<<HERE>> is the article. Just be careful with it as it is being rushed through by drugs companies and they stand to make an absolute fortune on this.

uriah solomon · 08-29-2009, 03:04 AM

yes you do wonder about the vacine, or the virus

Nabanita · 08-29-2009, 11:13 AM

I guess it's to early to have a clear opinion. Obviously people are scared and will look at it as a boon and others will be skeptics. What if it looks fine on the service & there's some serious side affects that's irreversible in a few years?

Allen Farlow · 08-29-2009, 04:33 PM

It really buggers me that they have the gaul to test it on...children!

What if it makes them deathly ill? They'd probably tell the doctor to claim it is the flu that is making them deathly ill and not the vaccine. Doctors don't always obey their hipocratic oath to do no harm.

**G10** · 08-29-2009, 06:26 PM

^ I know what you are saying but who funds a lot of the medical systems and also partly funds the FDA?....... It's pharmaceutical companies and with this in mind I think the answer begins to emerge.

Interestingly, I was out this evening with a friend who works in the lab for Astra Zeneca and even he said that this swine flu is completely over hyped and it is the drug companies that stand to clean up on this with this scare-mongering tactic and also said that he wouldn't take the vaccine.

anonymously · 08-30-2009, 07:11 AM

Interesting if this statement by Natural elements is right

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In the State of Massachusetts, legislation has been introduced which envisages hefty fines and prison sentences for those who refuse to be vaccinated."

You can be forced to have a not proven vaccine but not forced to have to stop carrying a lethal weapon ie a gun.

I know which will kill more.

Allen Farlow · 08-30-2009, 07:05 PM

Anonymously, it is my personal opinion that you may be merely uninformed, at least I hope that's what it is. If not, you must be an idiot. (And I say that in a nice way.)

That being said, we can be heavily fined if stopped by police and found to be lacking auto insurance, too. We are forced to wear our seat belts under threat of fines.

But that does not mean that everyone has auto insurance or wears their seat belt when driving. We may be threatened with jail time and financial penalties if we do not get vaccinated, but that still does not mean we won't refuse.

I am a gun owner and I carry my weapon concealed all the time, everywhere I go (except installations with metal detectors such as the courthouse, etc.) and I do NOT, and never have had, a concealed weapons permit.

Does that mean I am a criminal? In the eyes of the law, for breaking certain laws regarding gun permits, yes. But in my eyes I am a responsible citizen who is able to protect himself and others at any moment. Permits are not about keeping anyone safe. Permits are about making money for the government, that's all they are.

I am not running around waving my handgun in the air and threatening anyone. I am not crazy. I am not getting into people's faces and starting fights.

And no, you do NOT know which will kill more. A bad vaccine administered to millions across a country will kill many more than handguns ever could.

anonymously · 08-31-2009, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Allen Farlow

And no, you do NOT know which will kill more. A bad vaccine administered to millions across a country will kill many more than handguns ever could.

This is not the thread to continue the debate about guns, that is hapening in another thread. But I did not make myself clear, I was not talking about how many a bad vaccine would kill, I was talking about how many the flu would kill and was amazed that it was thought right to force people to have the vaccine but was not concerned that people carried a far more deadly weapon, it seems topsy turvey on which rights the state chooses to invade to me.

Allen Farlow · 08-30-2009, 07:24 PM

Colombian President contracts swine flu.

Allen Farlow · 08-31-2009, 10:08 AM

The flu vaccine is not mentioned in our Bill of Rights, however the right to bear arms most certainly is.

Are you running on the assumption that everything we are being told about the flu is true?

This is nothing more than a game plan straight out of the George W. Bush book of tricks. Use mainstream media and scare the hell out of everyone, then come up with the solution to save everyone and look like the good guys. Bush did it after 911 (allowing military contractors to profit by billions of dollars), Obama did it with that huge bailout bill for the banks and insurance companies (who said they did not have to be accountable and say what they were spending the money on, only for us to later learn that banks used it to buy other banks and AIG used it to pay out millions in bonuses) and now Obama thinks we're stupid enough to fall for it again to make billions of dollars for Big Pharma through the sale of a flu virus vaccine?

Obama already promised Big Pharma that he would not increase their cost of doing business...so guess who's pocket he's in?

The total deaths so far from the H1N1 virus pale in comparison to the total deaths per year from the common flu (estimated to be 36,000).

So why all this H1N1 hysteria?

Big Pharma and profits.

We are (again) being lied to by our leadership.

anonymously · 08-31-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Allen Farlow

The flu vaccine is not mentioned in our Bill of Rights, however the right to bear arms most certainly is.

Are you running on the assumption that everything we are being told about the flu is true?

I have no delusions about the flu, the fact is that mostly it is no worse than a common cold, and for some a cold can be deadly and so can the flu. The Bill of Rights does it not give you certain freedoms and is not one the right to be free?

I was seeing a clear comparison to what is virtually a harmless flu and people being fined and sent to prison for not being vaccinated, that seems to be fine, but no one dare grasp the nettle and remove the guns which will kill far more than this flu virus. Vaccinate against that would be better.

We do not have such freedoms written but I don't think the UK government is daft enough to try and make us be vaccinated against what seems to be something quite harmless. Our vaccinations will be offered to what is defined as most vulnerable groups, and as the winter draws on that may see a change of emphasis to elderly. For over 65's the usual flu vaccination is offered, but no one is required to have it. There may be some difference with front line health workers and key industry workers if at its peak we cannot run the hospitals or keep the lights on because so many people need a few days in bed, but I think moral blackmail may be the limit.

Natural Elements · 08-31-2009, 01:43 PM

Historical facts about the dangers (and failures) of vaccines

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=14974

Allen Farlow · 08-31-2009, 05:38 PM

Post # 13:

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Originally Posted by anonymously

This is not the thread to continue the debate about guns, that is hapening in another thread.

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Originally Posted by anonymously

but no one dare grasp the nettle and remove the guns which will kill far more than this flu virus.

(Shaking head...) Hellooooo!...

No worse than the common cold? I've never known the common cold to give anyone diarrhea or fevers of 100+. Any flu is worse than a common cold, but think what you want to.

You don't think the UK government would be daft enough to try and make you get vaccinated? That's exactly the type of thinking they want you to have! That way they can sneak it in without you being aware of it. I wouldn't trust any government to do what's right for me. I trust them to do what's right for them.

Yes, our Bill of Rights grants us certain freedoms, such as the right to peaceably assemble or the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances (you can petition but that doesn't mean they will pay any attention to it...) but no, nothing about the right to be free. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...lofrights.html Our freedom is something we derive from our Creator, as human beings. And as it is granted by God and not man, it cannot be revoked by man.

anonymously · 09-04-2009, 10:19 AM

We have a rising problem with measles in the UK, mostly due to parents not wanting to vaccinate their kids with the MMR vaccine. To prevent parents from using single vaccines on their kids the government banned them from the NHS, so parents who have the money get it done privately, the others don't get it done at all. Would the government dare to make the MMR compulsory, you bet they dare not. That would be a sure way to get themselves unelected in the next election and a sure way to ensure that kids continued not to get vaccinated, but now illegally.

As i said they might force certain workers to have the vaccine, though I doubt that, but the general population, never. They will have to rely on good old fashioned persuasion. As I have intimated above because that would not cost them their skins, so as you say they do what is good for them, but here I do believe that we , joe public, have an input. You just see how long we keep our troops in Afghanistan, with the rising tide of opposition from the public, as we approach a General Election.