Profanity In Forums And Social Bookmarking Sites

[StrongInTheArm]

I think Hades makes a good point here. Words can be just as abusive and hurtful whether profane or otherwise. If I chose to I could be quite offensive without using any rude words. A dictionary is like a loaded gun in some respects. Handle with care.

[Muddy]

There's a time and a place for everything. For the most part, one can express one's self perfectly adequately without using any profanity at all. There are times however, as Zap said, that the use of a particular word adds emphasis that would not be there otherwise. For example, what if I went all around the forum behind Julien saying "Oh those silly, over-achieving, misinterpreting, lovable, risque, cultured, well-meaning, mischievous, confident, trusting, kinky, fellows from France!"??? See...I get all that and much, much more with "Damn Frenchmen!".

That said however, showing respect for where you are and who you're with is appropriate and important. In the flesh and on other forums, I'm by nature far more "colorful" than I am here. Does curtailing it here cramp my style? Not in the least. Like I said, there's a time and place for everything. Profanity can be funny or enforce a point if appropriately used, but there are certain times when it should just be avoided.

[ranter]

Originally Posted by Muddy

For the most part, one can express one's self perfectly adequately without using any profanity at all.

Well, when I tried to be polite and instead of telling person to go fukk himself I said, I am putting period, you gave me lecture about politeness.

Make your mind man

[Muddy]

Originally Posted by ranter

Well, when I tried to be polite and instead of telling person to go fukk himself I said, I am putting period, you gave me lecture about politeness.

Make your mind man

1. That was not a lecture.
2. It was not in reference to your "period" comment, I was applauding your decision to stop/"put a period".
3. Scoot down a bit to my reply to John and you'll see I made it clear that I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone. It was a general comment and like I said, I quoted your "period" words in commendation.

[uriah solomon]

I was brought up in a strong family orientated life, we respected our elders and cussing or swearing was minimum, it does depended on the situation, hitting your thumb with a hammer or something like that, but not like running people down or growling someone. explaining situations on opposite opinions, both end up being right or wrong so all the heated suggestions are for nothing. our heritage is strong, new zealand maori..

[anonymously]

this thread does seem to have been used for people to find ways of circumventing one of the rules that attracted me to the forum

C. Members should be respectful and courteous to other members. Rudeness to other members is cause for revocation of membership privileges. Please keep in mind that we are a family friendly community. Offensive language is not permitted. This includes both within the community forums and via the V7N private message system.

The message now seems to be that swearing is OK, just use *** so everyone knows what you wanted to write but no one can complain about it.

Is it family friendly when posts like this remain

Well, when I tried to be polite and instead of telling person to go fukk himself I said,

It's a shame, IMHO (just to please Muddy with the abbreviation) when what could have been a genuine discussion about what could or would be acceptable in principle in public areas seems to dissolve into graphic illustration which seems to almost be done to make new rules rather then attempt a serious discussion.

[StrongInTheArm]

I have found Muddy to be respectful and courteous to other members at all times. He has never to my knowledge been rude to other members. He is well aware that this is a family friendly community.

As to your implication that he may have used offensive language and that this is permitted at V7N, I can assure you that I, as a Moderator of the politics forum, did not find his language to be offensive. In fact his JOKES, were not directed at anyone in particular. They were a light hearted addition to rather good post explaining his point of view. (I note he has subsequently removed those jokes at his own discretion.)

Further, swearing is not 'OK' on this forum. The use of the asterisk to self-censor a word or phrase is very commonly used on the internet and I have no problem with those that choose to do so instead of using a profanity.

You seem to have used your opportunity to post in this thread as a sly way of impugning a highly respected member of this forum. Unjustifiably I might add. I do not know why this should be. All I can advise is for you to lighten up a bit, it was a JOKE! We do that on this forum from time to time you know!?!

We don't have to be serious all the time

[anonymously]

Can you just point me to where any of your comments has any reality in what I posted.

I posted a general post about the thread, if I had meant to do anything else I would have done so. I made appropriate complaints about a particular post, it was not done in open forum, you seem to want to have added 2 + 2 and got 4000.

Just reread the whole thread and see if my comments apply to many posts and then a gentlemen apologises when in the wrong.

PS if the personal reference to Muddy was taken by you to mean anything other than that which was intended see the post he made to Cricket a few before these, here http://www.v7n.com/forums/1179156-post22.html

[Zap]

@Anonymously: This particular thread is about profanity and it's correct or incorrect use on forums and other forms of social community websites. I think it's unrealistic to come into this thread and expect not to see any expletives within it. They are the subject of this thread.
I don't see in this thread where anyone is lobbying to have any rules changed at V7N. We're simple discussing profanity.

[Natural Elements]

I might disagree with other members sometimes, but it doesn't mean I don't value the member. Keep in mind that we are coming from different countries with different systems and different way of seen things. That's why this forum is so diverse and interesting.

Remember that this forum is the most friendly on internet! Please keep it that way

This is what I like on the V7n guidelines "By working together we can make V7 Network a quality community for everyone."

[anonymously]

Zap
I am able to have a conversation about what is acceptable and what is not without actually providing illustrations and my comment about a post being left was when a misspelled word was used without it having any relevance to the topic it was about an ongoing conversation he was having with Muddy when he thought Muddy had complained at him. It was no way illustrative of the thread.

My comment about rules being changed comes from the feeling that posters were taking the opportunity to test what would be allowed, that's quite a common practice if you want to bend, move or change the rules. Indeed it seems to me that has happened when swearing, but using *** is now OK so SITA tells me.

StrongInThe Arm
Fascinating when someone can swear at someone but not do so by using ***. I think it would be better to have the courage to use the word and then we all know where we stand, but a forum littered with *** is no more a family forum than one littered with swear words

Natural Elements
Who is not valuing who?

[Zap]

Originally Posted by anonymously

Zap
I am able to have a conversation about what is acceptable and what is not without actually providing illustrations

Well then... In that case...

I think _____ is perfectly acceptable, as are _____, _____, ____, ___ and ______.
But when you start using words like _____, ________ or ____, then you are really pushing the envelope of acceptability.
_______, _________, _____ and ____ should be completely banned outright as their use really gets the members riled up.








Now... Who's up for having a discussion about medical conditions and their appropriate treatments without mentioning any medical conditions or treatments?

[anonymously]

As you know very well Zap, there are levels of words and usually in polite and family circles things like 4 letter words is an adequate description of what is being discussed, unless of course one has to have a vote on every 4 letter word and so every one has to be named, but that does seem a little like gratuitous swearing the like of which we have seen in this thread. You know that's how kids behave.

[Zap]

Originally Posted by anonymously

As you know very well Zap, there are levels of words and usually in polite and family circles things like 4 letter words is an adequate description of what is being discussed, unless of course one has to have a vote on every 4 letter word and so every one has to be named, but that does seem a little like gratuitous swearing the like of which we have seen in this thread. You know that's how kids behave.

I disagree.
I have read and participated in the thread and I have not seen the "gratuitous swearing" that you are describing. The only thing from this thread that has offended me is the way you bullied Muddy into censoring his post, which didn't need to be edited in the first place. He had some jokes in there but they were placed to illustrate a point, which, apparently, was completely lost on you. And, there were no swear words in his post, either. They are all edited by the filtering software in this entire forum, making it impossible to post them.

Again, if the title of the thread is "Profanity In Forums And Social Bookmarking Sites", someone with your sensibilities probably shouldn't be reading it.

[anonymously]

[ post deleted by anonymously. I hear what Cricket is saying.

[Natural Elements]

I agree with you Zap, if a member don't feel comfortable to post on a particularely thread, they shouldn't post on it.

Political Forum Rules and Guidelines:
1. Enter at Your Own Risk - Controversial topics can become heated very quickly. If you want to participate in the political forums, there will be times that you are going to need thick skin.

[Cricket]

Let's take a deep breath and relax everyone. It's just a conversation about how we personally feel concerning the level of respect needed for others within public areas.

Flat out, if we know cussing offends others, do we PERSONALLY decide to use caution with our language in public settings?

[StrongInTheArm]

Originally Posted by Cricket

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Flat out, if we know cussing offends others, do we PERSONALLY decide to use caution with our language in public settings?

Generally speaking I talk to people in the same manner that they use with me. Out of courtesy I refrain from using rude language on the whole, but with people I know and trust and feel it would be acceptable, I occasionally let my hair down and express myself in a freer way.