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Old 10-02-2009, 12:29 PM
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Michael Moore: 'Capitalism is anti-Jesus'

"The two-hour documentary begins with footage of a family being evicted from their foreclosed home by a half dozen police officers. Then he presents more incriminating evidence: a bankrupt Chicago factory where workers are denied pay, a privately run juvenile prison that paid off judges to give convicts longer sentences, and last year's $700 billion bailout of the banking system."

http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/22/news...ion=2009092308
 
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Old 10-02-2009, 11:48 PM
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Michael Moore is just a waste of my time. I swear he is such a hypocrit. He hates capitalism but he sure does like capitalizing on the films "documentaries" he produces and directs. He claims to be a leftist and accuses the rich of being socialists, I guess he has not realized that the socialists of history (and present day) are actually leftists. He makes sense on some issues, but again he is hypocritical.

And what bothers me is that the media actually gives him airtime, and people actually see and believe every stupidity in his films. Living in a free country that gives its people the freedom of speech I do not condemn him; that is why he still lives here, because he loves those liberties; but what is annoying is actually listening to people repeat every absurdity behind his one sided films. So, my advice is, if you go see this movie please keep in mind, it is a one-sided film/documentary and after all this is said and done, Michael Moore will be millions of dollars richer and would have capitalized on your ten bucks.
 
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Old 10-03-2009, 05:33 AM
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You can call them capitalist, socialist, or communist, very rich people are the elite in whatever system or political party

Michael Moore is just a provocator making a lot of money from what he does.
 
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Old 10-03-2009, 06:22 AM
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I don't think Moore is against capitalism, although it's certainly easier to make him look like a hypocrite if you can get people to believe that.
He's against what capitalism has been twisted into.
700 billion dollar bailouts. Is that capitalism? I think not.
 
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Old 10-03-2009, 07:33 AM
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I don't think Moore is against capitalism, although it's certainly easier to make him look like a hypocrite if you can get people to believe that.
He's against what capitalism has been twisted into.
700 billion dollar bailouts. Is that capitalism? I think not.
I don't think Moore is hypocrite, I believe he is a good agitator.
 
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Old 10-04-2009, 07:15 AM
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I don't think Moore is against capitalism, although it's certainly easier to make him look like a hypocrite if you can get people to believe that.
He's against what capitalism has been twisted into.
700 billion dollar bailouts. Is that capitalism? I think not.
He is definitely against corporate welfare, but he is also against straight-up, free market capitalism (the kind that doesn't exist but libertarians strive for anyway).

"Capitalism is the enemy of democracy, because the people don't have a say in how this economy is run." - Lardman, AKA M. Moore.

You have to understand how liberals think about private property to understand how capitalism is totally incompatible with their belief system.

Liberals - from Hobhouse to Rawls - believe that individuals do not make money. Society makes money. Doctors may think that they are earning their own living, but they aren't, according to Liberals. A doctor could not practice medicine if he hadn't gone to a school provided by society, with roads, electricity, safety and security provided by society. And even the medicine he practices - the doctor did not invent medicine, society invented it over thousands of years. So when a doctor charges a patient $100 for some stitches, the doctor is selling knowledge the doctor didn't own to begin with and is stealing from society.

http://www.amazon.com/Hobhouse-Liber...dp/0521437261/

http://www.amazon.com/Justice-Fairne...dp/0674005112/
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I don't think Moore is hypocrite
He is and he isn't. On collectivist grounds - such as mentioned above - he denounces intellectual property rights. Consistent with that, he is suspected of leaking his own material onto the Internet so people can see it for free.

On the other hand, he has made $50 million from his videos, and that's a lot of money to bring in on the basis of something he himself denounces as illegitimate.
 
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Old 10-06-2009, 02:45 AM
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Michael Moore is just a waste of my time. I swear he is such a hypocrit. He hates capitalism but he sure does like capitalizing on the films "documentaries" he produces and directs. He claims to be a leftist and accuses the rich of being socialists, I guess he has not realized that the socialists of history (and present day) are actually leftists. He makes sense on some issues, but again he is hypocritical.

And what bothers me is that the media actually gives him airtime, and people actually see and believe every stupidity in his films. Living in a free country that gives its people the freedom of speech I do not condemn him; that is why he still lives here, because he loves those liberties; but what is annoying is actually listening to people repeat every absurdity behind his one sided films. So, my advice is, if you go see this movie please keep in mind, it is a one-sided film/documentary and after all this is said and done, Michael Moore will be millions of dollars richer and would have capitalized on your ten bucks.
NO you are wrong socialism is a middle party, abit more left than Britians political system at the moment bu not much, NHS socialist, welfare socialist, not really particulaly left wing policies, socialism is supposably a blend where people get more of a cut from the top, as opposed to everyone gets the same like communism, socialism preaches a smaller gap. Unfortunatly they have a bad name due to facts like hitler is probably the last person to claim socialism, however his economey did boom and he did take germany out of recession and people were better off economicly under him, ok he was a fascist mainiac but ignoring that, and he HATED the proper left ie communists. so anyway point, socialism is not a proper left wing idealogagy its centre.
 
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Ok, so socialism is not left wing, that means Mao was also center? NO. That means Hugo Chavez is center? NO! There is a fine line between socialism and communism, or just take a look at all the fascist dictators. Most said they were socialists.

As for Moore, ARGH, he is not even worth me wasting my time on him... Let us be realistic he could care less about health care and about "capitalism", as mentioned before he makes plenty of millions of dollars in this capitalist system he denounces.
 
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Old 10-07-2009, 11:07 AM
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And what bothers me is that the media actually gives him airtime, and people actually see and believe every stupidity in his films.
To accept your point, would be like to subscribe to notion that he is lying.

Let me ask you something.
Is MM has been lying about perpetual scams Banks and Insurance Companies carry out all these years and as result put American people and U.S. economy on a skid road?

 
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Old 10-08-2009, 06:44 AM
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Ok, so socialism is not left wing, that means Mao was also center? NO. That means Hugo Chavez is center? NO! There is a fine line between socialism and communism, or just take a look at all the fascist dictators. Most said they were socialists.
The reason many say they were socialist is because there is a lot of similarities in the politics in the fascist countries in the 30'ies and 40'ies. Therefore some say that there is not really a left and right wing, but that politics goes in a circle. If one analyses the difference between germany/italy/spain in the 30'ies and 40'ies and the communist countries at the same time, you would find that the difference was not in the system, but in the ideological approach - where as fascist countries are nationalistic, the communist countries wish to spread their politics globally.

But do you really mean that there is a fine line between socialisme and communism? many european countries have socialistic politics, but they are far from communist, if you have a communist society you would also have dictatorship - wouldn't you? whereas socialism is a democratic institution - allthough not as democratic as liberalism
 
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