Deadly home invasion rattles New Hampshire town - Page 5

**robjones** · 10-18-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Natural Elements

Just a question to people owning a firearm: What type of firearm do you have for self defense at home?

- Gun

- Rifle

- Shotgun

- other (please precise the type)

- Gun:

multiple revolvers in .22, .38, .45 cal
multiple semi-autos in 9mm (gave both .45s to adult children... one of whom was a fair hand with a grenade launcher during USMC training anyway)

- Rifle

several, some single shot, some semi-auto, one lever action... .22 and .45 cal. Gave the 30-30 to my brother.

- Shotgun

Browning 16 ga semi-auto, bolt-action .410, side-by-side double barrel 12 gauge coach gun

- other (please precise the type)

only if bb or pellet guns count

Most are used for other purposes, some were purchased specifiably for use in SAS shooting competitions, others go back to when I used to hunt (nowadays I'd rather shoot with a camera)... but any can be utilized in defense if needed.

m42 · 10-19-2009, 02:22 AM

Just a question to people owning a firearm: What type of firearm do you have for self defense at home?

- Gun
HK Compact .45
2 HK Tactical .45's
HK Expert .45
P2000 SEM 9mm
Glock 26 9mm
Glock 22 .40
Kahr pm40

- Rifle
FN FS2000 Carbine
AR-15
AR-7
JDL PTR-91

- Shotgun
Benelli M1 Super 90
Mossberg Mariner

- other (please precise the type)
My CCW - Kahr pm9 - Gun
Ruger 10-22 - Rifle
Keltec p32 - Gun
There's more but this could take a while....

Now those guns are safe with a friend and I live in a gun free country. They'll be waiting for me when I move back to the US.

**robjones** · 10-19-2009, 03:24 AM

That little Keltec is the one I helped a friend pick out for a purse gun.

She doesnt have a CCW, but she spends a lot of time alone at open houses and figures in a pinch she'd rather explain the presence of the gun in her purse to the cops afterward than be murdered... a fate that has unfortunately met others. A recent example the agent wasnt killed with a gun, but she was overpowered while alone in a house and stabbed 26 times. My buddy prefers having a way to even the odds.

m42 · 10-19-2009, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by robjones

That little Keltec is the one I helped a friend pick out for a purse gun.

She doesnt have a CCW, but she spends a lot of time alone at open houses and figures in a pinch she'd rather explain the presence of the gun in her purse to the cops afterward than be murdered... a fate that has unfortunately met others. A recent example the agent wasnt killed with a gun, but she was overpowered while alone in a house and stabbed 26 times. My buddy prefers having a way to even the odds.

The Kahr pm9 has a pretty short barrel length and is pretty concealable. The Keltec is a good distraction pistol, but it would be really hard to do more than that with it. If your friend is forced defend herself, she shouldn't take chances.

If someone deliberately breaks into my house with the intent to hurt me or my loved ones, I'm going to do more than distract them.

**Cricket** · 10-19-2009, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by m42

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If someone deliberately breaks into my house with the intent to hurt me or my loved ones, I'm going to do more than distract them.

I don't care where ya live, you have a Texas heart.

**robjones** · 10-19-2009, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by m42

The Kahr pm9 has a pretty short barrel length and is pretty concealable. The Keltec is a good distraction pistol, but it would be really hard to do more than that with it. If your friend is forced defend herself, she shouldn't take chances.

If someone deliberately breaks into my house with the intent to hurt me or my loved ones, I'm going to do more than distract them.

Yeah, I told her if she shot someone with it, it was liable to piss them off... but it was lightweight enough that she felt she'd keep it with her at all times and a small gun in the hand beat a heavy one sitting at home in a drawer. That's true, but you're correct about the ineffectiveness of the round. It serves as a deterrent against someone that doesnt wanna get shot, but offers little use in the way of terminal ballistics. There are composite .45s out now that'd make a much better choice.

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Originally Posted by Cricket

I don't care where ya live, you have a Texas heart.

I thought the same thing.

Natural Elements · 10-19-2009, 09:20 AM

Here are the weapons I shoot during my service or shoot or owned in my life:

Pistol/revolver
S&W M42
PA MAB 9mm
HP 9mm
92FS
CZ 9mm compact
1911 Gold cup
1911 Springfield
1911 Les Bear custom carry
1911 Les Bear custom combat made from my specifications by my gunsmith
Glock G45
S&W model 625
FA 454 Casull
S&W 500 Mag

Rifle
Mas 36 7.55
Mas 39/46 7.5mm
M14 308
Garand 306
Marlin Lever 30/30
Marlin lever 94
Sub Machine gun Mat49 9mm
Machine gun AA52 7.62 mm

m42 · 10-19-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Natural Elements

1911 Gold cup
1911 Springfield
1911 Les Bear custom carry
1911 Les Bear custom combat made from my specifications by my gunsmith

Those are nice 1911's. How reliable are they?

I looked at the Kimber 1911, but the one I borrowed for range time kept jamming up. I guess Kimber is more mid-range.

I ask because I really liked the way the Kimber handled but don't want to have to think twice about dropping it in the dirt during tactical training classes, and having it jam on me when I pick it back up.

@Cricket and Rob: *laugh* Thanks! That might be because I used to live in Texas.

Natural Elements · 10-19-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by m42

Those are nice 1911's. How reliable are they?

I looked at the Kimber 1911, but the one I borrowed for range time kept jamming up. I guess Kimber is more mid-range.

I ask because I really liked the way the Kimber handled but don't want to have to think twice about dropping it in the dirt during tactical training classes, and having it jam on me when I pick it back up.

@Cricket and Rob: *laugh* Thanks! That might be because I used to live in Texas.

The 1911 mentionned above are very reliable. Springfield make some nice pieces, but the problem with them is that you cannot buy spare parts like slide or frame. Wilson combat, Kimber make some nice guns, but unfortunately most of the time you have to tune up them by a gunsmith. The exception is on high end 1911 custom, some brands already tuned the gun and don't need any gunsmith work, because it is already done.

The best 1911 are forged metal, in my opinion Les Bear are the best 1911. You can find others made from metal cast and aluminum, I don't recommend that if you want to keep it for a long time.

If you have a problem with feeding, you should ask your gunsmith to throat the barrel, basically you can put all kind of ammo after this little adjustment.

I am a target shooter, and I love accuracy.

Allen Farlow · 10-19-2009, 09:22 AM

Funny how people think that people die like they do in the movies, quick. Sorry, but that's not the way it really happens. Unless you make it a head shot (more difficult to do than you might think), you can fire 4 or 5 rounds of .45's into the chest of a 6', 235 pound guy high on pcp or meth and he'll still be able to get up and attack you, at least until he finally leaks enough blood to make his brain stop functioning correctly.

Fire and be ready and able to retreat if you need to. Don't allow yourself to be backed up against a wall or into a corner.

Nice to see you came out from under your hoody, Cricket. Nice pic.

**robjones** · 10-19-2009, 10:50 AM

Much as I love the 1911... Glock builds the best thing on the market if a defensive/tactical weapon is going to be exposed to any elements, followed by the Berretta .40mm. The rattly-ass WW2 era 1911A1s we trained on at Quantico could handle a little sand, but the finely tuned raceguns people use today would tend to object to that sorta abuse.

That's a sacriligious thing to say in front of anyone that's a 1911 devotee and I dont discount the value of a cocked & locked 1911 as the most potent and accurate tactical device available, but the damned things will take a lickin' and keep tickin' better than anything out there.

I hate Glock's trigger pull personally. I dropped a baseplate (oops) from a cheap mag I'd picked up for my Beretta and had to sub-in with the instructors Glock for a CCW test. Having to shoot an unfamiliar weapon for score set my teeth on edge. Functions well, but like most of the world I'm more accurate with a single action pull.

Added: Kimber builds the most feature rich 1911 out-of-the-box for the dollar spent... but the stuff he has up there is getting into serious upper line guns. Whatever you do... NEVER buy a 1911 made by Charles Daily. By the time you replace the weak springs and polish the shoddy workmanship it wouldve been cheaper and more effective to get a Kimber. Stove-pipes, failure to feed, misfires... not a reliable product.

Natural Elements · 10-19-2009, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robjones

Much as I love the 1911... Glock builds the best thing on the market if a defensive/tactical weapon is going to be exposed to any elements, followed by the Berretta .40mm. The rattly-ass WW2 era 1911A1s we trained on at Quantico could handle a little sand, but the finely tuned raceguns people use today would tend to object to that sorta abuse.

That's a sacriligious thing to say in front of anyone that's a 1911 devotee and I dont discount the value of a cocked & locked 1911 as the most potent and accurate tactical device available, but the damned things will take a lickin' and keep tickin' better than anything out there.

I hate Glock's trigger pull personally. I dropped a baseplate (oops) from a cheap mag I'd picked up for my Beretta and had to sub-in with the instructors Glock for a CCW test. Having to shoot an unfamiliar weapon for score set my teeth on edge. Functions well, but like most of the world I'm more accurate with a single action pull.

Added: Kimber builds the most feature rich 1911 out-of-the-box for the dollar spent... but the stuff he has up there is getting into serious upper line guns. Whatever you do... NEVER buy a 1911 made by Charles Daily. By the time you replace the weak springs and polish the shoddy workmanship it wouldve been cheaper and more effective to get a Kimber. Stove-pipes, failure to feed, misfires... not a reliable product.

That's what I don't like when you buy a 1911, you don't have the best parts in it.

I prefer to choose the best brand parts to build a custom gun by a gunsmith from frame to spings