Can Rapists Be Rehabilitated? - Page 3

anonymously · 11-04-2009, 04:36 PM

Should that not be any sex attacker that got the death penalty, Allen Farlow? You need to make sure that the crime is not committed again. Assaults are pretty nasty sometimes, better include that too.
If you have to ensure you get the guilty guy and not worry if one or two innocent men are executed, why bother with a trial, that would ensure any man accused of rape would get his just deserts.

I am glad I live in the UK.

Allen Farlow · 11-04-2009, 04:46 PM

Oh, believe me, I'd just as soon dispense with the U.S. legal system. Any guy who sexually assaults my wife, girlfriend or sister will simply disappear and no one will know what happened to him...I might have an idea, but I won't be sayin'.

Anonymously, you're glad you live in the UK? Why? You planning on doing something?

Icedout · 11-04-2009, 08:52 PM

The fact is they can't keep everyone in jail. I'm a criminal justice major, we studied how the jails are getting overloaded with criminals. And as we get deeper into a recession, more crimes will be made. Overall I don't think our government/state worries about keeping rapists in jail.

And no, I don't think a rapist can be rehabilitated overall. Maybe a few, but as a whole no way.

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Originally Posted by Cricket

After reading the above story, I have to wonder what in the heck are we doing? Why are we letting these guys out to do it again and again, but essentially teaching them to make sure they kill their victims next time? How many lives do they have to destroy before we start to decide that some people simply do not belong in society?

Researching this topic left me a lot of doubt as to if rapist can ever be rehabilitated, or if we are just fooling ourselves.

This article tries to look at both sides . . .
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_rapist...ey_be_punished

What are your thoughts? Can rapist be rehabilitated? Why do you feel that way? Would you be willing to live next door to someone that was a convicted rapist who has been released from prison?

**Cricket** · 11-04-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Icedout

The fact is they can't keep everyone in jail. I'm a criminal justice major, we studied how the jails are getting overloaded with criminals. And as we get deeper into a recession, more crimes will be made. Overall I don't think our government/state worries about keeping rapists in jail.

And no, I don't think a rapist can be rehabilitated overall. Maybe a few, but as a whole no way.

The why would you let them out to destroy more lives?

Icedout · 11-04-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cricket

The why would you let them out to destroy more lives?

Because the overall cost to our government and us people.

Who would your rather have in jain, a rapist or a killer? That's what it comes down to. It's all math and statistics. They can't keep everyone in jail because of cost.

They can't even keep up with creating enough jails for everyone. It's kind of shocking when you study it.

CyberWizard · 11-04-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cricket

After reading the above story, I have to wonder what in the heck are we doing? Why are we letting these guys out to do it again and again, but essentially teaching them to make sure they kill their victims next time? How many lives do they have to destroy before we start to decide that some people simply do not belong in society?

I am glad that you started this topic. I work on a daily basis with drug, alcohol, and sex addicts. I have been doing this at different jobs for quite a few years now and have quite an opinion on it.

From what I have seen, the need to rape is just like any other addiction. Will the want to rape ever go away 100% for these people? No. Can they stop themselves with the correct treatment? Yes.

You have to think about it this way: If you get a DWI should we lock you up for life? You are probably thinking to yourself that would be pretty stupid. Well it isn't, what if YOU kill someone next time your drinking and driving. Why should we give you a second chance?

Here's another example: What if you get arrested for making a threat towards and ex-spouse, family member, old friend, etc.? Should we lock you up forever? Why should we let you out of prison? What if you end up going through with your threat? How can someone know with absolute certainty that you won't go through with your threat?

I am not against keeping people in jail for life. By all means, lock someone up forever if their crime warrants it. But, don't keep them locked up just because you THINK they MAY revert back to old behavior.

**alter-ego** · 11-04-2009, 10:09 PM

I think the key to rehabilitation of any kind is a desire of the patient to actually change.

I know rape is an extremely sensitive topic so I won't profess to say my thoughts are valid but keep in mind that people quit smoking and drinking which is also a way of life. Also, many people who sexually molest others have been molested themselves so getting to the root of this and dealing with it may help in some cases.

I'm not saying all can be cured but I do have an underlying faith in humanity which makes me WANT to think that people can change if they truly desire to.

**robjones** · 11-04-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberwiz

I am glad that you started this topic. I work on a daily basis with drug, alcohol, and sex addicts.

I had no idea you were in Real Estate.

loenex · 11-04-2009, 11:40 PM

Rapist maybe rehabilitated. Addicts, crazy people and smoker can be rehabilitated y not the rapists?

NewMedia422 · 11-05-2009, 04:18 AM

C'mon sissies. Death by firing squad. Costs 2 cents instead of $50k a year to put them in prison, draining our economy. Not only does it cost us directly, but indirectly through inflation by spending money on people who produce neither goods nor services.

In El Salvador if you get caught drunk driving, your FIRST time, you are shot by firing squad. The irony is, they haven't used that penalty in a long time, but the mere *threat* of it, has kept drunk driving to an amazingly low level for their country in a region full of drunk driving. Meanwhile the other countries burden their prisons and economies with drunks and innocents continue to be killed by them.

I believe the same principle can and should apply to rapists. You could even limit it to cases with DNA evidence perhaps.

NewMedia422 · 11-05-2009, 04:30 AM

The problem isn't "can" they be rehabilitated, but rather, how do you prevent the crime in the first place? The only *penalty* which would make a rapist even *blink* about raping is a swift execution by firing squad.

Think about it, when that rapist up in Yankeeland raped an underage girl for years and merely got a few weeks of "rehabilitation", how can anyone NOT see that it encourages fellow rapists everywhere to commit those crimes. They weigh it in their mind, risk/benefit. The risk of rehabilitation or a few years in prison is something many of them are willing to pay. Heck even death by the sissy needle method is something many of them (often losers) are willing to pay.

The risk of death by firing squad, hanging, or electrocution: not so much.

**Zap** · 11-05-2009, 08:24 AM

Not that Allen will even read these links because of his previously proven disinterest in facts, but for the rest of you who think people accused of rape should not be entitled to a fair trial or should just get the death penalty if they actually do get put through a trial...

http://www.harrysnews.com/tgfalselyaccusedofrape.htm
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-6611147.html
http://gothamist.com/2009/09/19/man_...pe_thank_g.php
http://dad4justice.blogspot.com/2009...y-accused.html
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment...d_of_rape_ama/

Those are just a few of the people who have been falsely accused of rape.
It happens with such frequency, it's frightening.
And many of you would like to shoot first and ask questions never (not later).

It's appalling!

And here's one guy who spared Allen a bullet and killed himself after being falsely accused of rape instead of making Allen get his hands dirty...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-children.html

Seriously, people, this witch burning mentality is not becoming of a civilized society.
It makes you look like savages to rational thinking folks.

Thankfully, there are still people like anonymously around, who actually stop and think.

**Cricket** · 11-05-2009, 08:55 AM

I don't think anyone truly believes that anyone accused of ANYTHING doesn't deserve a fair trial. HOWEVER, I do believe there has to be a solution to this.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/phillip-ga...ory?id=9002988

**Zap** · 11-05-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Cricket

I don't think anyone truly believes that anyone accused of ANYTHING doesn't deserve a fair trial. HOWEVER, I do believe there has to be a solution to this.

I'd really like to believe that, Cricket, but it's tough to swallow when reading through this thread.
Some are not only advocating it, but more than willing to pull the trigger or flip the switch themselves.
This thread has certainly shown the uglier side of humanity, in more ways than one.

John Scott · 11-06-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Zap

I'd really like to believe that, Cricket, but it's tough to swallow when reading through this thread.
Some are not only advocating it, but more than willing to pull the trigger or flip the switch themselves.
This thread has certainly shown the uglier side of humanity, in more ways than one.

Who is advocating for the denial of a fair trial?

**robjones** · 11-05-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Zap

And many of you would like to shoot first and ask questions never (not later).

It's appalling!

LOL. Zaaap.... shame on you. =-p

LOGICAL FALLACY: Type = "Strawman Argument"
Method - Attribute visibly unreasonable position to opponent which he hasn't indicated he holds... then ridicule him for holding such specious views.

I'd provide an example... but you already beat me to it.

The last sentence is also another form of logical fallacy where you posit that all thinking people support your own view, thereby indicating all who hold an opposing view are by definition not thinking people and are therefore wrong. Cant recall the name of that one. Been a long time since that class in logic.

**Zap** · 11-05-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by robjones

LOL. Zaaap.... shame on you. =-p

LOGICAL FALLACY: Type = "Strawman Argument"
Method - Attribute visibly unreasonable position to opponent which he hasn't indicated he holds... then ridicule him for holding such specious views.

The last sentence is also another form of logical fallacy where you posit that all thinking people support your own view, thereby indicating all who hold an opposing view are by definition not thinking people and are therefore wrong. Cant recall the name of that one. Been a long time since that class in logic.

Reread the thread, dude. You've obviously missed something.

It's not a logical fallacy at all.
Allen himself writes "Oh, believe me, I'd just as soon dispense with the U.S. legal system.".
Or did you miss that?

**Muddy** · 11-05-2009, 09:13 AM

Well hell, now I gotta go read it from the start.

**Zap** · 11-05-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Muddy

Well hell, now I gotta go read it from the start.

Take a bucket with you.

**robjones** · 11-05-2009, 09:32 AM

So one person has shown support for a potentially specious position and you attribute it broadly to "many of you"?

OK, I stand corrected. The fallacy you utilized is named "Guilt by Association".

Notwithstanding that... yeah, if I personally knew someone raped my daughter I'd be very likely to consider non-judicial corrective action, but I don't think that position applies to the majority of those that oppose your position. Bear in mind I have the advantage of perfect judgment and total omniscience. [You may now kiss the ring if you wish my child.] :-)