Message to Obama: WE'VE HAD ENOUGH!

[Allen Farlow]

Martha Coakley just conceded in the Massachusetts race for the seat once held by Ted Kennedy. A Republican, Scott Brown, will now hold it, the first Republican to sit in it in 60 years. (Think we don't need term limits on congressmen?)

This was not a vote between Democrats and Republicans, it's a message to Obama that Americans are sick and tired of his agenda and we are going to do what we can legally do to put a stop to it.

The balance of power just shifted. The Dems no longer hold the majority in Congress. Good luck trying to pass that stinking health care reform bill.

I look forward to November when many Democratic congressmen face re-election by an angry constituency. Lots of luck with that. Better pack your bags.

I say it's high time for a good house cleaning.

[DocC]

This is something I can agree with you on. Breaking the back of the Democrat's stranglehold on Congress may just save our collective tails!

Personally, I don't have much use for politicians in general. If the tables were turned (and it wasn't that long ago that they were), the right wingers would be bullying THEIR bills through the same way the left has. But I can't recall ANY Congress, of either side, ever being so blatantly unconcerned about public opinion, in my entire life. They even seemed to be beyond hearing a wake-up call.

You can bet that Obama has lost a LOT of points with his supporters, for not having gone out there to help assure Coakley a seat.

[socks]

I've just skimmed through (important point!) the plan and it seems to benefit the American people. I'm not American so it won't affect me, but wouldn't a plan that allows everyone to have basic medical care be good?

Before I get flamed, I just want to point out that I am not siding anyone (as said earlier, it does not affect me), I just find the health care reform a good step.

[DocC]

There's a lot of different arguments for and against this plan, socks, and some of them, on both sides, have merit. My major concerns about this plan are twofold:

First, it was a bum's rush deal, voted on without a SINGLE Senator or Representative having had an opportunity to read it, first! (If memory serves, it's something like 1400 pages.)

Second, our economy is in the can, and a lot of people are being financially destroyed, as a result. Our country is at risk of failing, because of the financial situation. Now is NOT the time to add a record-breaking financial burden not only on the nation, but on every single American citizen and business entity! It could be the final nail in our coffin.

There's a third one, worthy of mention...

our government hasn't been able to administer ANY program, large or small, with any level of success. They have either bankrupt or abandoned essentially every program undertaken in the last 70 or 80 years. To tell me that THIS time, it'll be different, and that I HAVE NO CHOICE... even that I can be jailed for trying to buy my own medical care, outside their government-run system... rubs me a little the wrong way.

There's a rock song from a few decades back (can't remember the name or the artist) that goes..."you can't even run your own life, I'll be damned if you'll run mine!"

States my position pretty well.

[socks]

Ah, I can now understand why it's such a sticking point. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I appreciate it.

[Allen Farlow]

Health care reform is the same as auto insurance.

The thinking goes that those of us who can afford to buy auto insurance should also pay for the auto insurance for those who can't afford it, so they can drive, too.

How does that make any sense?

If you want health care, get up off your lazy behind and make the money to pay for it or go without. I'm tired of covering my end of the deal and still being forced to pay in even more to cover those who have no inclination to do for themselves!

Especially when it comes to my taxes being used to cover illegal immigrants. Don't even get me started on that.

I'm sick and tired of this attempted Socialist takeover of America and the guy has only been in office one year, so I'm glad to see there will once again be some kind of checks and balances in D.C.

Now let's work on getting Pelosi out of there so something good can be accomplished.

[Jim Gillum]

Well then....it is time to tell those folks in DC who they work for......they seem to have forgotten....
Trow da bums out.....

Congress gets a $4,000 raise.....social security recipients, after working and paying for 50 years get $0 .......

If congressman got paid minimum wage....how many would want the job?

This is our country.....time to get it back......

[ScriptMan]

I should have know that Allen would beat me to posting this thread.

I find it especially poignant that the seat held by the 40 year crusader for national heath care went to the 41st vote.

And I can barely wait until November. I suspect if we want to reach the attention of the 6th District congressman from Kentucky we would currently have to contact Nancy Pelosi as he appears to be firmly in her lap.

Socks, the only program the feds can run with any level of success in national defense and even that has its share of problems.

Mediscare started the escalation of of health care expense in this country. I would have to write a novella to explain all the reasons why but the provider discount and all the crookery that goes along with the concept is the major part of that.

[Allen Farlow]

This just makes me so happy inside, the fact that the Democrats no longer have the ability to jam this health care reform stuff down our throats. (I am not being partisan against Dems. I would feel the same if the Republicans had tried this.)

In this article I just read on Yahoo, the author writes, "Obama urged lawmakers not to try to jam a bill through, but scale the proposal down to what he called "those elements of the package that people agree on."

Why couldn't they do that in the first place?! If they had, health care reform would already be a done deal. But instead of keeping in mind exactly who they work for, they decided to do whatever they pleased, whether their 'bosses' liked it or not.

That would get anyone else fired from their job.

I liked the last paragraph in the above-mentioned article:

"That's a bitter pill for the House to swallow," said the No. 2 Senate Democrat, Dick Durbin of Illinois.

Uh, yeah, it's about as bitter as the pill Durbin and his ilk tried to jam down our throats. I don't take kindly to being forced to buy something from a certain industry or face having a large portion of my yearly income seized by the government for not doing so.

I'm honestly surprised Coakley conceded. I figured the Dems would pull more dirty tricks to get her in the seat, saying the people have spoken while ignoring massive voter fraud and uncounted votes (which luckily was not the case in this election. Makes me wonder what happened to ACORN...).

She ran a terrible campaign and I think her concession was just one more in a long line of mistakes she made. The gap between the votes for Scott and the votes for Coakley was not so great it could not have been contested. I was ready for the Dems to demand a recount and take it to court, if need be, to get her in there, so I am honestly surprised it didn't happen.

Today just happens to be one year to the day that Obama was sworn in.

What did I find in USA Today? Nothing. Not a mention of it, no recap of all the good things the president has accomplished during his first year, nada, zip.

Well, there was one: the editorial cartoon, which basically lambasted Obama.

It portrayed Obama blowing out the one candle on his birthday cake while a couple men standing behind were talking. One asked what's next, and the other replied, 'The terrible twos."

I can't wait to see what he has to say in his State Of The Union speech coming up on, I think, January 27th. He doesn't have a health care reform feather in his cap.

Perhaps that speech, too, will be a concession?

Let the Democratic finger-pointing begin!

[rabble]

I believe you conservatives in here are doing a whole lot of unwarranted back-slapping
over your imagined victory. Yes. Scott won, but by a fairly narrow margin which could easily have been overcome had progressive democrats turned out. Further, Scott's margin of victory is totally accounted for by independent voters who voted for Scott, not because the current healthcare bill in congress is too far to the left, but rather because the bill is not progressive enough.

As an independent I would have voted for Scott in order to kill the current healthcare monstrosity. And, while I share a lot of you objections to the bill, I would just like to point out most of the problems exist because of the ridiculous wheeling and dealing done by inside the beltway democratics in order to bring on board conservative boll weevil dems to obtain the magical 60 votes to override republican filibuster.

Tuesday was not a conservative victory per se. It was a victory for independents and progressives as well. Never thought we would be your allies, did ya?

We thank you for your help, but you seriously misjudge if you think you did it alone.

[dWhite]

Originally Posted by Allen Farlow

The Dems no longer hold the majority in Congress.

Republicans taking over the Democratics? Our state of war will never end now.

[Bob Barr]

Originally Posted by dWhite

Republicans taking over the Democratics? Our state of war will never end now.

Democrats still hold majorities in both the House and Senate. What the Dems lost was their "filibuster-proof" sixty-vote total in the Senate.

[robjones]

Message to Obama: WE'VE HAD ENOUGH!

I did an IP check. Almost sure Obama doesn't read this forum. Guess he *could* be one of the guests though. :p

[dWhite]

Originally Posted by robjones

I did an IP check. Almost sure Obama doesn't read this forum. Guess he *could* be one of the guests though. :p

Would he even care like previous presidents *cough*bush*cough*?

[G10]

Not sure how good Obama is but I really hope he doesn't make the same mistakes as Bush by keeping people with multiple agendas on board like Bush had Doctor Blofeld, sorry, I meant Donald Rumsfeld

I also hope that if it is passed through, your rights aren't taken away over there. In the UK, yes, we do pay a percentage to National Health care but then we can also have private if we wish.... Granted, that may sound expensive but remember that if an NH System is in place, the private will drop significantly so it may balance itself out..... Maybe

[dWhite]

Originally Posted by G10

Not sure how good Obama is but I really hope he doesn't make the same mistakes as Bush by keeping people with multiple agendas on board like Bush had Doctor Blofeld, sorry, I meant Donald Rumsfeld

I also hope that if it is passed through, your rights aren't taken away over there. In the UK, yes, we do pay a percentage to National Health care but then we can also have private if we wish.... Granted, that may sound expensive but remember that if an NH System is in place, the private will drop significantly so it may balance itself out..... Maybe

President Obama has been in office for little over a year now, and he hasn't really done anything except for this healthcare reform instead of trying to get Americans jobs back decreasing our unemployment rate. And he already screwed up the health reform recently, so has to do it again.

He's also sent xx,xxx more troops off to war that we should be pulling out of, much less even be involved in.

The cash for clunkers program was a total joke, and busted.

And as for our rights, we don't really have any more rights under the Patriot Act enacted by Bush.

[Allen Farlow]

Rob, I didn't mean that we are telling Obama enough is enough in this forum, I meant we are telling him across the country as Americans. If he still doesn't get the idea, it's certainly not because Americans are not yelling loudly enough.

A conservative victory? Who cares who's victory it is, the important thing is Obama got a well-deserved slapdown and now he has to reevaluate everything. His little "there is no time to think, we must act now" mantra has lost it's shine.

Like I said in an above post, I am not being partisan. I couldn't care which party is in power (is there much of a difference between them anymore?), I want our elected leaders to do one simple thing: do their jobs, which is to do right by us, not screw most of us over.

Is that too much to ask of them? I don't think so. If it is, perhaps they should step down.

I look forward to more tea parties, more town hall meetings (assuming they would be so brave as to show up at one knowing the treatment they've already received) and more protests from the American people.

If no one will step up and tell them they are wrong, health care reform, big business bailouts and stimulus bills that place Americans under massive debt is what will be forced upon us. (On us but not on them. They'll figure some way to keep their costs reduced while ours continue to skyrocket.)

Instead of placing so much emphasis on traipsing around the world like he's a King or something (and being a major embarrassment in Japan and China), instead of trying to accomplish what Hilary Clinton never could (health care reform, is it some kind of 'in your face' payback for her campaign against him?) Obama and crew should have been creating jobs and putting Americans back to work.

If we are making a decent wage, we would have the money to pay our bills, afford health care and keep up with the mortgage. Free up the credit so people could continue to buy homes and new vehicles and the American economy would have turned around by now. The amount of bailout money that went to overseas AIG bonuses would have bought a lot of new cars and helped many Americans earn a living.

All in all, I think this is a good thing. Somebody needed to put their foot on the brakes of this out of control runaway regime.

We need change we can count on, not be stuck counting our change to see if we can go to the grocery store.

If it takes putting a Republican in Kennedy's seat (it's not Kennedy's seat, for crying out loud! Its the People's seat first and foremost.), so be it.

[OhioQuotes]

Finally...it looks like we are going to start over on the healthcare issue.

[webcrafters]

Originally Posted by G10

Not sure how good Obama is but I really hope he doesn't make the same mistakes as Bush by keeping people with multiple agendas on board like Bush had Doctor Blofeld, sorry, I meant Donald Rumsfeld

I also hope that if it is passed through, your rights aren't taken away over there. In the UK, yes, we do pay a percentage to National Health care but then we can also have private if we wish.... Granted, that may sound expensive but remember that if an NH System is in place, the private will drop significantly so it may balance itself out..... Maybe

Not meaning to hijack the thread so my apologies Allen...

G, it is common knowledge to most that Britain is a socialized democracy, I mean the government over there does mandate almost everything from what schools you are allowed to go to, how much you have to pay for health care, whether you can have a gun or not, whether you can walk the streets at night with a knife, or a screw driver. I am not attempting to bad mouth Great Britain so don't get me wrong, after all, Great Britain started out as a dictatorship so you have really come a long way, but when you compare it to the ideology of Locke, or the forefathers of America and what they attempted to design when they drafted the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution you can see that there is an immense difference between our two countries and government styles, when things over here happen though they are every day things in your area, they are disastrous abuses to our common rights here.

Currently in office is a President, a Senate leader, and a Speaker of the House that are openly and aggressively progressive. Progressives belief that our Constitution is one, a flawed document, and two a living document (fluid and should change as the times change). This is not the case and was never intended to be the case, the Constitution was written as the Supreme Law of the Land, not much different than the Ten Commandments are for the Religious. To say that we should change the Constitution, or look past it because the times or society has changed is the same as saying we should change the Ten Commandments because our society is no longer as it was 2,000+ years ago.

I think the core issue is this, do we need reform in many areas of our governmental systems? Absolutely, beyond a doubt. Do we need reform in some of the public businesses? Again, beyond doubt. The argument comes down to a simple one, should these reforms and changes come from a large government looking out for the best interest of the citizens giving out mandates as they decide necessary? Or should the reform come from business restructuring with Government and business cooperating with one another, and the power of the consumer in a capitalist market dictating what is and is not acceptable. In other words, mandated by the government, or by the people with free choice as individuals?

Anything different than the latter is not the American way and is a violation not only to our rights as citizens but an attack on our way of life as if we were being invaded by Russia or Cuba or any other country demanding we do as they say.

[webcrafters]

An additional clarification...

The government is tasked with protecting its citizens from things such as enemies and fraud, and a multitude of other illegal activity, in most cases it is the State that is charged with this above the Federal Government, that way if you do not like the way a particular state does things, you can fight it in the state, or simply move to another one, that was the principle idea behind how it was set up in the beginning.

So mandating to an insurance company that they cannot drop a client because they have gotten an illness they deem to expensive, or in the name of interstate commerce over ride state laws that say only 1 or 3 insurance companies can provide insurance in the state, or attempting to clarify what an honorable law suit towards a physician and what an outrageous law suit is, these are all things that the government could do to lower the costs to the consumer, and to the physicians without violating the Constitution, by reforming our Social Security and Medicare system, getting rid of fraud so that the payments do not have to be decreased so much to the doctors or labs causing the base costs to rise so that the smaller percentage paid by these programs will come closer to meeting a proper amount for the doctors and institutions to be able to make a profit or pay the bills. Our governments inability to run programs is one of the principal reasons our health care is so high.

And don't forget, when you give the government the power to mandate you to have insurance, and to provide for you, just as our government used interstate commerce law in order to tell a person they couldn't grow Wheat in their backyard garden because there is a chance they might sell it to another state, they will use the health care laws to dictate how much a person exercises, what type of exercise they do, what they eat, how much they eat, if they do or don't smoke or drink, what the heat is set on. This of course goes on and on, give an inch and better strap in for the long haul because it won't stop. I suggest everyone watch Glenn Beck tomorrow, he is showing a documentary about Che, Stalin, Castro, Marxists, and more information that is not in the history books, even though there is video footage of what actually happened.