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View Poll Results: What caused the WTC buildings to fall?
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faulty, poor grade construction steel
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jet airliners crashing into the towers
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subsequent fires weakening the structures
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a combination of airliners crashing & the fires
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combination of all of the above
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angry UFO alien death ray beam
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02-19-2005, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonathan VanSchaack
damn guys, your still at this? Think its time to LOCK this thread
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As in; Nothing to see here folks, just walk on, walk on.
This topic inspired me to make this little button:

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02-19-2005, 08:48 PM
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02-20-2005, 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Jonathan VanSchaack
damn guys, your still at this? Think its time to LOCK this thread
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...hmm, the most important subject in the whole recent history of mankind, the mass murder of thousands of U.S. citizens by its own government and it's time to lock the thread.
Is this your decision, or are you being influenced or pressured by outside forces?
This is same type censorship the Bush administration forces down the throat of all media, college professors and anyone who dares speak the truth.
Is the truth so terrible and painful that you cannot face, or hear it?
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02-20-2005, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by notepad
...hmm, the most important subject in the whole recent history of mankind, the mass murder of thousands of U.S. citizens by its own government and it's time to lock the thread.
Is this your decision, or are you being influenced or pressured by outside forces?
This is same type censorship the Bush administration forces down the throat of all media, college professors and anyone who dares speak the truth.
Is the truth so terrible and painful that you cannot face, or hear it?
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no, I'm just someone that values time, and just see this as a waste, maybe the first 8 pages we ok, but 12? :-p
calculate how much time you spent on typing researching ect.. then lets say, i'm gonna value most ppl @ $60 an hour, thats how much you've given to this thread. and its hard for me to see that much time not used for productive things
for for another thing I live in NY, so dont think I dont care for the dead, I choose to be neutral in this conversation basicly because politics and business don't see eye to eye
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02-20-2005, 01:30 PM
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No one on thise earth is forcing you to read this topic brother, try it once, it workes, just don't click on that link anymore if it is taking too much of your expensive time
Others like me, and obviously a few others are having a very interesting and worthfull conversation and exchange of facts here.
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02-20-2005, 01:37 PM
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Waste of time?
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Originally Posted by Jonathan VanSchaack
no, I'm just someone that values time, and just see this as a waste, maybe the first 8 pages we ok, but 12? :-p
calculate how much time you spent on typing researching ect.. then lets say, i'm gonna value most ppl @ $60 an hour, thats how much you've given to this thread. and its hard for me to see that much time not used for productive things
for for another thing I live in NY, so dont think I dont care for the dead, I choose to be neutral in this conversation basicly because politics and business don't see eye to eye
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Please tell the citizens of New York and the families of the deceased 911 victims that getting to the bottom of the WTC murders is a waste of time.
If you choose to be neutral, that's your prerogative. I'm a businessman myself and don't have a problem volunteering a few hours a week; furthermore, I think knowing the truth about 911 as everyone's business.
Perhaps you need to re-think your contribution(s) as an American citizen and applaud those who strive towards justice ...maybe devote a little of your own "valuable" time to help expose those parties responsible for the 911 crime.
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02-20-2005, 02:28 PM
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he's just "beeing a good boy" 
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02-20-2005, 10:14 AM
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Larry Silverstein Profited Off 911
Larry Silverstein was the leaseholder and manager of the World Trade Center Buildings. Silverstein took control of the WTC buildings just a few months before the atrocities of 911.
I think Larry Silverstein should be investigated, charged and arrested for insurance fraud and possibly conspiracy to murder. On September 11th, 2001 Silverstein had inside information that the buildings he managed were to be destroyed by demolitions.
It is now common knowledge that he (Silverstein) admitted publicly (on a PBS documentary) the scenario on 9/11/2001 by which he was complicit in the destruction of at least one building, the 7 World Trade Center in New York City.
Watch and hear Silverstein admit knowing WTC Building 7 was about to be demolished.
Listen as demolition workers use the same term "pull it" when referring to bringing down a building.
In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7.
Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. Thus the building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million. Silverstein already has plans to construct more death traps, er, buildings.
Why is this criminal allowed to collect millions of dollars from insurance underwriters (billions when you figure in the Twin Towers too) when obviously it's a case of blatant insurance fraud?
If I were to burn my house down and file an insurance claim, then tell someone about it later (who reported me), I would be arrested and charged with a crime.
Mr. Silverstein's comments also stand in direct contradiction to the findings of the extensive FEMA report which stated, "WTC 7 fell after burning for 7 hours", failing to mention anything about Silverstein's remarks.
Am I the only one who thinks there's something VERY wrong with this picture? Larry Silverstein is obviously a criminal and I repeat ...he ADMITTED wrong doing on the PBS documentary; everyone's heard and seen it ...why aren't the authorities acting on this information?
See these websites for more info:
http://serendipity.ptpi.net/wot/wtc7newspaper.htm
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/pullit.html
http://serendipity.ptpi.net/wot/wtc_other.htm
http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/FDNY.htm
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02-20-2005, 10:54 AM
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notepad, do you sleep?
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02-20-2005, 11:05 AM
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...yes, with one eye open.
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02-20-2005, 11:58 AM
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I know a girl who sleeps with both her eyes open, for real.
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It is "I couldn't care less"
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02-20-2005, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Bradley
I know a girl who sleeps with both her eyes open, for real.
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You need to stop hanging out at the morgue.
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02-20-2005, 12:05 PM
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On that subject, I was down at my uncles today, and there was this dead girl lying in some room. I was just sorta sitting there, then all of a sudden she sat upright, dead straight. I completely freaked out! Was like a zombie. Uncle just laughed at me, and said dead people do that sometimes.
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02-20-2005, 12:30 PM
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I roomed with a guy in two different drug rehabs (which was quite a weird coincidence, BTW, because they were in two different states and staff chooses who you room with, but any how ..) and he and his girlfriend were all wigged out on heroin and they drove right into a moving train. She was killed, and he needed extensive facial surgery done, plate in his head and face etc.. and he slept with one eye open. It couldn't be helped due to the surgery, and every single night without fail, he fell asleep with headphones on listening to Metallica/Enter Sandman. He said it was the only way he could fall asleep. lol
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..why aren't the authorities acting on this information?
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I think we all know why.
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02-20-2005, 01:18 PM
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02-20-2005, 02:31 PM
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Ferre, that news story was "big news" in the US too.
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02-20-2005, 02:42 PM
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Ferre, that news story was "big news" in the US too.
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Yes GW and his boyfriend(s) still are big news here in the States.
Bush seems to be sucking the whole country dry.
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02-20-2005, 03:06 PM
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well for one thing, I didnt say it was just a waste of time for me, its just not productive for everyone, but besides that
Notepad: who the f#$! do you think you are, you think just because you can talk about something your going solve some big .... do you have a doctorite in any of the above areas you cite? dont tell me to change what i think about 9/11, you don't know anything about me, thinking your better because you questions everything about big governminet.
how about this, why dont you take 2 planes fly them into 2 big building and see if the government was telling the true or if they were lying
because unless you have proof everything you guys brought up in this tread is just the same non sense you said the government has made up.
government is flaw, hell they probably do lie to us
but your turning an anti bush thing into anti american, I could careless if you dont like the acting president, because guess what, like it or not, he won the election again, and unless you have facts, IE watergate type, your not gonna change the fact he's your president
and ferre, i'm glad you like to provoke arguements, gives you something to do and gives other people things to do, but my "lock" statment was more of a joke on how big this damn thread got
Notepad: where do you live?
did you know anyone that died in 9/11?
how bout people that have died fighting in afgan and/or iraq? or even injured?
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02-20-2005, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonathan VanSchaack
well for one thing, I didnt say it was just a waste of time for me, its just not productive for everyone, but besides that
Notepad: who the f#$! do you think you are, you think just because you can talk about something your going solve some big .... do you have a doctorite in any of the above areas you cite? dont tell me to change what i think about 9/11, you don't know anything about me, thinking your better because you questions everything about big governminet.
how about this, why dont you take 2 planes fly them into 2 big building and see if the government was telling the true or if they were lying because unless you have proof everything you guys brought up in this tread is just the same non sense you said the government has made up.
government is flaw, hell they probably do lie to us
but your turning an anti bush thing into anti american, I could careless if you dont like the acting president, because guess what, like it or not, he won the election again, and unless you have facts, IE watergate type, your not gonna change the fact he's your president
and ferre, i'm glad you like to provoke arguements, gives you something to do and gives other people things to do, but my "lock" statment was more of a joke on how big this damn thread got
Notepad: where do you live?
did you know anyone that died in 9/11?
how bout people that have died fighting in afgan and/or iraq? or even injured?
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Are you having some kind of tantrum?
Ya know it's difficult to think clearly when you're angry. You really should try to calm down ...breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out.
FYI, I never "told" you to change how you think about 911; that would be a waste of time ...I made a suggestion to you as in, "perhaps you could."
As for me not knowing anything about you, you're correct ...other than noticing how you appear to have an arduous time composing sentences and spelling, I do know nothing of you.
You will probably get upset over this too, yet whether you've heard the news, or care ...here's another morsel of Bush trivia ...George W. Bush, Jr. was NOT re-elected, he was RE-SELECTED.
Furthermore, contrary to your limited view of the world around you, one does not have to be a doctoral of any particular discipline in order express their political views, or research/report facts about any issue ...especially one so important as 911.
Ya know, if the "lock" remark was a joke, all you had to do was say so. Instead you lash out and curse me ...that's very immature ...cowardly too considering you're behind a computer and not here in HOUSTON, TEXAS USA ZIP CODE 77018 (email for complete address & phone number).
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02-20-2005, 04:35 PM
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heh, just because I dont type on a forum in complete sentences does not mean I can't. I will just stop viewing this thread like ferre suggested. I need to breathe in and breathe out anyway :-p
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