What Destroyed The World Trade Centers?

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To answer one question more specifically, "according to Bill Manning, editor in chief of Fire Engineering (a magazine for fire departments), 'Fire has never destroyed a steel building'."

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I have just finished viewing all 11 videos for the fifth time, and I, at this time, am prepared to state that I concur with the assertion that the nearly 3000 innocent Americans that died in the WTC tragedy, were murdered, and I will continue to believe so until our government starts providing some reasonable answers to some very important questions.

This is a very sad day for me.

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<edit> I left out a word in post #98 above ..."were intentionally murdered" ...

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Atom, do not despair, you are not alone ...there are others just like yourself who also feel the same way ...it is indeed a sad day for all Americans and the world.

I remember not long ago when I too realized for the first time that what happened on September 11th, 2001 in New York City was a horrible crime, the cold blooded murder of thousands ...it was a difficult pill to swallow ...to find that our own government, or some powerful group within had intentionally destroyed the World Trade Centers, had bombed the Pentagon, had diverted those planes (probably killing the passengers elsewhere) and had murdered tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children in two preemptive wars waged on two sovereign countries ...then lied and covered the whole thing up through skilled propagandists at the highest level of our government and the media.

I discovered the truth by reading articles about 911 on the Internet ...researching websites on the subject ...I have called and spoken with experts in many fields and purchased more books and DVDs than I have shelves to store. There can be no doubt that this country has already been seized by a gang of criminals, fanatics who are willing to go to any lengths to gain power and absolute control.

The media has not told Americans the truth ...major television, newspapers, magazines and other media owners (corporations) have huge invested interests ...they have been more than willing conspirators in the lie. There were no Islamic men flying jets into buildings that day ...these people were used as the patsy, the fake paper trail, the indictment of "some bad guys" ...while the real perpetrators got away with the crime while pretending to be our heroes ...leading the attack on more innocent people in a foreign land.

Conspiracy doesn't even begin to describe these crimes ...treason would be as small a charge as a traffic ticket. Those responsible are the "Controllers", the so called powerful neo cons who have lied, stolen, bribed and murdered to take control of this country, its political system and the military a long time back. Freemasons, Illuminati, Luciferians ...they go by many names and they all share a common goal ...to concentrate all wealth within their ranks, depopulate the world by 80% and to dismantle any concept of a nation state, a sovereignty ... consolidate all planetary control via a one world dictatorship.

The sad part of it all is that less than 1% of all Americans are even aware of what's going on, or what has happened. In fact on 9/11 we experienced what's known as a "cold coup d'état", an administrative coup. Americans have bought the "official" government story of what happened on 9/11/2001, applauded the slaughter of countless thousands overseas and have ultimately become unknowing conspirators in the greatest crime ever committed against humanity since the A-bombing of Japan.

...we have become but dumb cattle allowed to graze within the perimeter fence, passively awaiting our own slaughter, permitted to moo, but not too loudly ...so long as we buy their sh*t.

...there's a storm coming bro ...be prepared.

[chaka42]

whoah .... i thought i was back in the 60s .....

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Originally Posted by chaka42

whoah .... i thought i was back in the 60s .....

"...living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see."

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The most damning evidence that demolitions took place on 911 is the destruction on WTC 7. Take a look at the building's collapse below ...it was obviously destroyed by a controlled demolition ...the demise of building WTC 7 has also been methodically avoided by mainstream reporters and the press.

building WTC 7

...doesn't this look like someone "let the air out" and "deflated" WTC 7? Buildings just don't fall down like that without a lot of help from strategically placed explosives.

If all it took to bring a skyscraper straight down was a fuel fire, the well trained experts who work for demolition companies would all be out of a job. Come on, even a layman with no explosives background should be able to see this.

Many specialists in the explosives and structural engineering have also made this observation and commented on these inconsistencies. After the WTC collapse, the Vice President of New Mexico Tech, Van Romero, gave an interview to the Albuquerque Journal. Romero, an explosives and demolitions expert, stated plainly that he believed that the WTC collapse was too methodical and that explosive devices must have been placed in key points of both buildings. Romero said:

"It would be difficult for something from the plane to trigger an event like that. It could have been a relatively small amount of explosives placed in strategic points. One of the things that terrorists are noted for is a diversionary attack and a secondary device."

In that same interview, Romero revealed that he was in Washington DC when the attacks took place. He and a colleague were there to discuss defense research programs for New Mexico Tech. A few days after his interview, Romero abruptly changed his opinion and told the Albuquerque Journal that he no longer believed that bombs brought down the towers.

...uh oh ...Romero, who relies upon the Pentagon for funding, had suddenly flip-flopped, he changed his mind and joined the "melted steel" theorists. Now why would he do that?

...additional bonus material:
http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/pp_fdny.htm
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/wtc7.html

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Steel melts @ 2500 deg F

i know from experience, a 'simple' firepit can be fueled by combustible items, not a liquid fuel, and generate temperatures up to 2600 deg. not a difficult task actually. i know this because potters do it all the time, of which i used to be.

everyone that watched the towers collapse that morning, noticed one thing, the buildings collapse from the top down

still no answer for this ... now that does raise questions as to the collapse of wtc7 but not the twin towers.

then lied and covered the whole thing up through skilled propagandists at the highest level of our government and the media

sadly, i see this as post jfk / government paranoia

One of the things that terrorists are noted for is a diversionary attack and a secondary device.

so, according to romero, the terrorists could have been responsible for these supposed demolition charges and not the government.

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everyone that watched the towers collapse that morning, noticed one thing, the buildings collapse from the top down

still no answer for this ... now that does raise questions as to the collapse of wtc7 but not the twin towers.

Actually this raises multiple questions...

* no steel high-rise building has ever collapsed due to a fire, anywhere ...yet on 9/11/2001, how could several skyscrapers fall within seconds each supposedly due to fires and all on the same day?

* since WTC Towers 1 & 2 both started exploding, falling and vaporizing to dust from the top down, wouldn't this indicate an insufficient amount of weight remaining (from the top) to smash down through all the rest of the immense World Trade Center buildings? (too much resistance) ...how also can the "official" 911 Commission's report of a pancake theory be believed?

* if you compromised a building's upper framework enough to weaken it, the building would fall sideways following the path of least resistance...not into itself ...how could any vertical structure, a building, or even a tree, fall down through itself, without something else (like explosives) removing any resistance?

* if you dropped a chunk of concrete from an airplane and it hit the pavement, it would smash into a bunch of smaller pieces ...this given, how can one explain the 200,000+ tons of solid concrete (from the Twin Towers) being pulverized down to the consistency of fine flour? (only military grade explosives can do this)

* if what happened to WTC Building 7 was a controlled demolition, is it not logical to conclude that the collapses of the main WTC Towers on that day were associated with that event?

When one truly examines the "evidence" of 911, it is clear the buildings could not have been destroyed by jets crashing into them, or fire. Without a doubt, they were brought down by strategically placed demolition explosives.

Once a person accepts this fact, it also becomes quite evident that a few "terrorists" living in another country could never have gained access to the World Trade Center buildings (far too much security) in order to place hundreds of demolition charges at structural weak points.

911 was obviously a well planned professional operation which required access to the building's structure by experienced demolition experts working over a period of time in concert with building security. There have been numerous statements made by people who worked in the WTC buildings, and by those who were visiting New York who witnessed these strange work crews (prior to 911).

It would be impossible to carry out such an operation (as 911) in the U.S. without collaborative support at the highest levels of our "government" and the military.

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Originally Posted by docquesting

this thread sucks

Do not click on it then.

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Does this look like a building collapse due to a low-temperature fire?

Of course not!

Most people have never been to New York and they don't realize how massively huge the World Trade Center buildings were.

Take a look at those pieces flying out hundreds of feet from the building ...those are huge sections of solid steel weighing many tons each being tossed outward with such a force that they appear to be only matchsticks.

Only explosives have the requisite energy to propel these multi-ton objects outward so far, with such great force.

Fires in the WTC buildings could have burned for months, for years with enough debris & fuel ...and never have collapsed. In such a scenario, the buildings would be perhaps reduced to a skeleton of steel columns and beams ...yet the structure itself would have remained standing.

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Originally Posted by notepad

..Take a look at those pieces flying out hundreds of feet from the building ..

And at 100's of miles an hour. They found debris in New Jersey, they said.

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I'm reading now where many 911 researchers are investigating the possibility of explosives being actually incorporated into the initial construction of WTC Towers 1 & 2.

...seems plausible considering the destruction that day ...even conventional demolitions and all their destructive force would be hard pressed to cause the absolute, total disintegration of buildings 1 & 2.

tidbit: construction of the World Trade Centers began on September 11th, 1971 - exactly 30 years prior to 911.

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Originally Posted by notepad

I'm reading now where many 911 researchers are investigating the possibility of explosives being actually incorporated into the initial construction of WTC Towers 1 & 2.

hmm .. I wonder what prompted them to look into that? Seems insane.

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Originally Posted by Atom

hmm .. I wonder what prompted them to look into that? Seems insane.

I don't necessarily see that as insane. I actually think it could be an absolutely brilliant safety mechanism. If you think about what happened on that day, and with the tower designers saying that they had built the towers to withstand a plane strike. It is obvious they thought of the towers somehow, sometime suffering from possible breaches in structural integrity.

You can't have a building (let alone two) of that size falling over like a tree in the woods onto entire blocks of the city. So it doesn't seem entirely insane to me that there is a system possibly built into it to detonate explosions in the case of an emergency to cause the building to collapse onto itself rather than fall over.

Not saying that that is what happened, but it would, in that light, seem like a very responsible thing to do.

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Yeah.

Notice I was careful to put "seems"?

And the reason I said "seems insane" is because it does. Think about it, people inside a building surrounded by explosive material. LOL

Now whether it in fact 'is' insane, I don't really know. I do wonder though, if it's true, why people weren't informed of the application of this tecnology.

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You can't have a building (let alone two) of that size falling over like a tree in the woods onto entire blocks of the city.

Very true, that's why buildings like that have more steel than concrete, that's why the steel colums of a building like that are made with steel that has to be tested and certified for its quality (all been done, btw) and that's why people like me knew those buildings where 'pulled' the moment they saw them fall on tv. There are quite a few architects in my family and just spoken on the phone with one of them who tells me there's no way that explosives would have been build in those buildings from the start, Buildings like that get a construction that can handle much more than it can possible endure in its lifetime. this "build in explosives" story reeks as another distortion to have people to look for ghosts instead of the truth.

Funny that btw, I still remember my very first thoughts when I heard the news on the radio at 9/11. My very first thoughts were; "****, those *******s (CIA/FEDS/BUSH, anyway, INSIDE people) have no scruples at all, they'll attack and kill their own people for their rotten political games, I wonder who they are going to blaim.", funny that only one hour after the first attack I already heard a speech on the radio here in Holland from Hilary Clinton who seemed to know exactly who to blaim and that speech was very damn well prepared for a speech as a reaction on something that just had happened.

It became all a lot more clear to me when I heard that speech beeing repeated (with very slight changes) by as well republicans as democrats in the next couple of hours from all sides of the US. (planned, LOL, they are SOO stupid!) Can you imagine, the propaganda machine started that fast and even reached Europe, only here people listen with different ears, not emotionally involved so it all sounds like a scam, which it is actually.

The same day I already spoke with many people about the event here in Holland and we all agreed on one thing, "The USA has pulled it (9/11) themself to get an excuse for world domination and starting wars all over, specially wars on abstract entities like "terrorists", never ending, everyone is the enamy and new enamies are made up very easy (THAT we have learned by now didn't we?).

When you look at events from a distance without emotional involvment they are a lot more clear than when you are in the middle of an event and emotionally involved. Looking at it from here there never was any doubt about it being an inside job, not for a second and every official explaination afterwards has only confirmed this even more.

At the same time America had a fascist coup, I wonder how much time it will take before the awareness about that will come with the general public because the brainwash/propaganda machine in the States is functioning very well I must say. People in the States really believe what they are told.

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...at this point, I wouldn't put anything past the gov/cia/fbi ...they are capable of the worst crimes, having the least conscious and accountability.

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Originally Posted by notepad

...at this point, I wouldn't put anything past the gov/cia/fbi ...they are capable of the worst crimes, having the least conscious and accountability.

Yeah, I guess you're right.

Well .. all that I can say is, they'd better hope that God's judgement is just one big SOB'n fairytale.

Course, just between you and me, I got inside info that that ain't gonna do em any good anyway.