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Old 03-12-2010, 10:37 AM
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Do you think climate change is real?

Do you think climate change is for real, I mean is the Earth really is getting hotter? Snow storm across the States and China. Flooding in Portugal, Philippines and some other part of the world. Are all these just natural disaster by coincidence or cause by global warming?

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Old 03-13-2010, 03:01 AM
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We had a similar debate in here about a year or so ago, about Global Warming being a hoax. Is climate change real? Absolutely, the climate of the earth as well as other systems of the earth are constantly changing. Case in point the recent earth quake in Chili actually changed the Earth's axis causing a change in the length of a day, minutely but changed just the same. The currants in the Ocean, the Jet Stream, and Wind patterns, constantly changing, all of these individual systems actually work in unison to give us a climate, when the currants in the Oceans shift so does the climate, when the wind patterns shift so do the Ocean's currants.

Is climate change man made and caused, research has proven that it is not an extremely large contributing factor, that climate change has been going on for millions of years long before mankind even existed. There have been many ice ages throughout Earth's history, these Ice Ages are followed by a warming period, one of which we are approaching the end of now, this contributes more to the Global Warming and Cooling than mankind does.

Pick up a few Geology books and see what they have to say about the different systems of the Earth and how they have been working for Millions of years. More CO2 is released into the atmosphere by the Oceans and the Blue Mountains and other natural resources than by mankind, if man has caused any problems it is more probably due to deforestation and other practices that have been severely curtailed in the last several decades for that very reason.
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Old 03-14-2010, 09:26 PM
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The consensus of the vast majority of scientists is actually that human action plays a vital role in current climate change. This includes the IPCC, and the Climate Change Science program (CCSP) which merged with the Bush Administration's CCRI, and numerous international scientific bodies. Whether they are right or not is a different question, but the consensus heavily leans towards human impact on the climate.

Yes, the climate has changed over billions of years. Any basic geology or ecology course will reveal that, or even a quick look at the internet. The difference now is the speed at which the climate appears to be changing, so what scientists are pointing out now is that we seem to be seeing a rapid kind of climate change different from the changes that took place before. Likely it's a combination of human and natural processes that's making our current situation different.
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:06 AM
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Climate Change is not real
 
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:09 AM
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I am not sure about global warming, but the climate is changeing and it goes without saying as there are more and more natural disasters in the world and men can't even predict them.
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i think its real. its getting hotter in our place and its not this hot 10 to 15 years ago.
 
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It's just another alarmist BS scare. IF anyone happens to do some reasearch we are just comming out of a cold cycle........and in case anyone wonders yes it will return ..... Temp's worldwide were 12-20 degrees below what they should have been for the past 27 years So why all the hubbub bub??
 
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Of course climate change is real. And it's us who causes the climate to change.
 
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:27 AM
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I just watched the dicovery channel and they were talking about mass extinsion at the end of the permecean (?) era. It was talking about an increase of around 20 degree in temperature killing some 95% of the earth population.

It says that the increase was caused by a continuous lava burst in Siberia for an area of as big as United Stated, then the sulfuric acid that follows. That counted for some 10 degree increase. Then the methane reserve under the ocean started to melt releasing billions of tons of methane. That adds another 10 degree of increase.

So you see, there are things that could potentially cause the earth to warm catastrophically. The interesting part was with all that thing that happening the increased happened within some 50,000 years span.

I dont think, even if we (human) wanted to, we can compete with those catastrophies in terms of polutting the atmosphere, and were only been here as a civilization that have the ability to polute for what, 2000 plus year?

One thing thats good (maybe for some) coming out of this though is the CDM concept by the UNFCCC. I'm not saying the concept is fair but it has produced some (give or take) 2000 MwH of renewable energy from things you wouldn't even think possible decade ago.
 
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:51 AM
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Climate change is real for sure. After all, we used to look like (or we were) monkeys a couple of years back (probably millions) and look where are we now. The world may get flooded and humans will find out something to get away with it.
 
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Climate change is a farce. People who can form their own intelligent opinions realized this from day one.Glad we didnt get "universal taxation"
 
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anyone have seen the "The Steam Experiment" movie?
its base on the global warming...
i just don't know whether the what happened and how they react to the temperature will also happen in real.
 
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I thought climate change was obviously real up to the previous winter. It looked like mild winters and early springs were here to stay.
Fooled me though! This last winter changed my mind.
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Old 03-30-2010, 07:12 PM
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Climate Change is not real
Can you substantiate that?

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Old 03-30-2010, 07:18 PM
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It's just another alarmist BS scare.
Can you substantiate that?

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IF anyone happens to do some reasearch we are just comming out of a cold cycle.
And, what about this?

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Temp's worldwide were 12-20 degrees below what they should have been for the past 27 years
There is not "should have been" temperature!

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So why all the hubbub bub??
Because anyone who understands the underlying Physics regarding absorption and re-emission of electromagnetic radiation also knows that any increase in the atmospheric content of certain gases cannot not result in increased temperature; and, that man is the predominate source of such gases!

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Climate change is a farce.
The real farce is those who no nothing of the underlying Science, yet persist in spewing forth uninformed opinions.

"Intelligent opinions" first require an adequate understanding of the facts; which, here, requires an understanding of the pertinent Physical Laws of Nature. Once such understanding is attained, it is unavoidably obvious that mankind's contributions to certain atmospheric gases must inevitably lead to an increase in global temperature.

While that may not be a pleasant fact, denying such will not serve to avoid it.

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Old 03-30-2010, 07:25 PM
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I thought climate change was obviously real up to the previous winter. It looked like mild winters and early springs were here to stay.
Fooled me though! This last winter changed my mind.
Firstly, there is a difference between weather and climate; the former are short term systemic changes, while the latter are long term occurring over several decades.

Additionally, an increase in the amount of energy in any system increases its volatility, thus leading to both higher highs and lower lows. This is easily demonstrated by placing a pan of water on a stove, and very slowly raising the heat under it.

At first, the surface is still, and then slowly begins to show small ripples. As the water temperature increases, the ripples become increasing pronounced, until eventually the boiling point is reached, at which the surface is quite chaotic.

Thus, as global temperatures as a whole rise, we can expect to see more and wider swings in local weather.

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So you see, there are things that could potentially cause the earth to warm catastrophically. The interesting part was with all that thing that happening the increased happened within some 50,000 years span.

I dont think, even if we (human) wanted to, we can compete with those catastrophies in terms of polutting the atmosphere, and were only been here as a civilization that have the ability to polute for what, 2000 plus year?
You here repeat the fallacy of others, that of assuming that a presently observed effect must perforce be the result of a previously known cause.

By way of example, and using your reasoning, were you to have never seen heat produced by any other means than by an open fire, then electric heating would not be possible!

Just because you've never seen something does not mean that it does not exist; witness the Black Swan.

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Is climate change man made and caused, research has proven that it is not an extremely large contributing factor, that climate change has been going on for millions of years long before mankind even existed. There have been many ice ages throughout Earth's history, these Ice Ages are followed by a warming period, one of which we are approaching the end of now, this contributes more to the Global Warming and Cooling than mankind does.
Research has proven no such thing.

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Pick up a few Geology books and see what they have to say about the different systems of the Earth and how they have been working for Millions of years. More CO2 is released into the atmosphere by the Oceans and the Blue Mountains and other natural resources than by mankind, if man has caused any problems it is more probably due to deforestation and other practices that have been severely curtailed in the last several decades for that very reason.
Past is not prologue.

While past observations may suggest possible causes of presently observed effects, such effects are not constrained to be the result of a previously known cause.

Every closed system has a tipping point; to hold that mankind's contributions to radiative forcing cannot be of consequence, that any observed change in global temperatures must owe to some other unknown cause, is not only argumentum ad ignorantium, but flies in the face of the Physical Laws of Nature.

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While each is entitled to his own opinion, no one is entitled to his own "facts."

Unless you're Phil Jones, running the Hadley CRU (currently suspended) or Michael Mann (currently under investigation).
 
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