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Old 02-25-2005, 06:20 AM
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The people you pay to think

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The People We Pay to Think
Introducing RAND, corporate welfare at its most influential


What is RAND?
RAND is one of many nonprofit (non-taxpaying) institutions known as a "Think Tank".
What's a think tank?
It's like a big corporation where people actually get paid to think.


Who is paying them to do all this thinking?
You and I are. The government pays RAND with our tax dollars to think about our nation's problems. Then, when RAND is done thinking, they give a report to the government that tells the government what they should do about the problem.


What kinds of problems are we paying RAND to think about?
Since 1948, we've been paying RAND to think about child welfare, the justice system, education, our nation's drug policy, national security, social welfare, just about everything, actually.



But those problems seem to have gotten much worse since 1948, when we started paying RAND to think about them.
How much does the government pay RAND to think?
In the year 2000, we paid RAND over $140 million dollars. [1]


Who is involved with RAND?



The RAND Board of Trustees includes representatives from the media, Wall Street, big corporate law firms, leaders from the medical, defense, real estate, and auto industries, along with the officers of a few other think tanks, and a university professor or two. [2]


How does RAND affect the War on Terror? Who are we paying to think about the situation in the Middle East?


Well, there's former Defense Secretary Frank Carlucci.
He's on the RAND Board of Trustees and he's also the co-chair of the RAND Center for Middle East Public Policy Advisory Board.


But isn't he also the chairman of The Carlyle Group, a defense contractor with ties to the Saudi Royal Family and the Bin Ladens?
That's right. He's the head of a $13 billion dollar private firm that invests people's pension funds in companies that make money when our nation is at war. The Carlyle Group stands to make many billions of dollars from the War on Terror.[3]


So, someone we're paying to tell us what to do in the Middle East is a person who stands to get rich from increased military spending?
That's right. But Frank Carlucci isn't the only one making decisions about the war who will be making a fortune from Carlyle Group money.



President Bush also stands to make a fortune. His father is a Senior Advisor in The Carlyle Group, and he gets paid in Carlyle shares that just keep going up in value. George Bush, Sr. recently visited Saudi Arabia twice and met with the Saudi royals and the Bin Laden family. The Bin Ladens and the Bushes have been doing business together for a very long time. [4]



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http://www.hereinreality.com/news/rand.html
 
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Old 02-25-2005, 06:37 AM
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It's called War Profiteering.

Halliburton is a model for this.

I believe the US Senate passed a bill that now defines this type of action as a federal crime. But of course, nothing will happen!
 
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Old 02-25-2005, 06:55 AM
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For me this goes beyond war profiteering. There are different kinds of profiteering. It's a crime to be a war profiteer in a war you end up in but these people create the wars they profit from.

There's a difference between prifiting when the opportunity is there or creating the opportunity. It's the latter the Carlyle/Bush gang are doing.

These are not just local US crimes, those are international war crimes and crimes against humanity and should be considered as such.

The more information leaks out of the US regarding the motives of the past wars they are fighting, including their drug wars, the more it becomes clear who are the real terrorists on this earth.
 
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Old 02-25-2005, 07:10 AM
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True!

The US says we're spreading freedom and democracy. I'm pretty sure we've destroyed more than a dozen foreign democracies over the years. Just ask Chili.

And do some research on The School of Americas
 
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Old 02-25-2005, 08:07 AM
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Yeah, we know down here. America loves to assasinate democratic voted politicians and replace them with military dictatorships. All to secure freedom and democracy of course.
 
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Old 02-25-2005, 08:13 AM
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Yeah, we know down here. America loves to assasinate democratic voted politicians and replace them with military dictatorships. All to secure freedom and democracy of course.
Ferre, why do you bash America? You must think we are all guilty of these crimes?
 
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Old 02-25-2005, 08:27 AM
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What are you doing, writing a speech? It's just a simple question.

LOL

Gorilla, What do you think? Is America the guilty party?

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Old 02-25-2005, 08:33 AM
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Guilty party in regards to what?
 
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Old 02-25-2005, 08:35 AM
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I want to ask you two other questions as well, Ferre.

Why do you bash Christians, and why do you bash the holy bible?
 
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Guilty party in regards to what?
Assasinating democratic voted politicians and replacing them with military dictatorships, of course. LOL

Didn't you see the quote in my post?
 
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Old 02-25-2005, 08:38 AM
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It's a fact!
 
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Ferre, why do you bash America? You must think we are all guilty of these crimes?
"guilthy" might be a little harsh, but partly responcible, yes.

It's not something that happened over night, the past 50 years at least it has been clear that the American government is out of hand, it's nothing new and the American people are not that stupid that they don't see what's going on.

In mine, and nearly every other western culture we do feel we are part responcible for what our representatives do.

See, 'Americans' in general are very double, when they brag about stuff it's always "We Americans", as in; "We Americans kicked Sassam's ass", but when they get critics they suddenly distance themselves from their government and obviously something that is in their culture.

As far as I know America is "We, the people" and as far as I know it's hard to start wars without those same people.

And Atom, I do not hate Americans, but I do detest what 'America' stands for. 'America' is like a plague for this earth in my view, specially at present times.
 
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It's a fact!
What is a fact? You mean that America assasinates politicians and replaces them with dictatorships?
 
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Yes. That is not top secret info.
 
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See, 'Americans' in general are very double, when they brag about stuff it's always "We Americans", as in; "We Americans kicked Sassam's ass", but when they get critics they suddenly distance themselves from their government and obviously something that is in their culture.
About how many, just give me a rough guess, about how many Americans have you heard say "we kicked sadams ass"? Please take an honest honest guess. How many? You can count where you've read that they have said this as well.
 
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C'mon Atom, don't act naive and as if you don't know what I mean, you're smarter than that.
 
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Yes. That is not top secret info.
Ok. Tell me, who does America consist of? Who comprises "America"? Tell me the truth.
 
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C'mon Atom, don't act naive and as if you don't know what I mean, you're smarter than that.
You do not have to answer, but I hope you do.

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See, 'Americans' in general are very double, when they brag about stuff it's always "We Americans", as in; "We Americans kicked Sassam's ass", but when they get critics they suddenly distance themselves from their government and obviously something that is in their culture.

Atom:
About how many, just give me a rough guess, about how many Americans have you heard say "we kicked sadams ass"? Please take an honest honest guess. How many? You can count where you've read that they have said this as well.
 
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Ok. Tell me, who does America consist of? Who comprises "America"? Tell me the truth.
I consider the CIA an American entity. Don't you?
 
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Old 02-25-2005, 08:53 AM
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Atom, did you sleep ok last night?
 
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