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Old 11-21-2010, 08:57 PM
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"The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is warning that any would-be commercial airline passenger who enters an airport checkpoint and then refuses to undergo the method of inspection designated by TSA will not be allowed to fly and also will not be permitted to simply leave the airport. That person will have to remain on the premises to be questioned by the TSA and possibly by local law enforcement. Anyone refusing faces fines up to $11,000 and possible arrest. http://www.palmbeachpost.com/accent/...o-1059926.html
Did I fall asleep and wake up in another country? Are you kidding me?
 
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Old 11-21-2010, 09:05 PM
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Did I fall asleep and wake up in another country? Are you kidding me?
Geez, you mean, if i wanted to fly to FL and refused, it'll be the cost of buying a new car in fines? Something is wrong with these officials.

Once you step foot in the airport, you loose all your rights. It might be cheaper to take a bus or the train when traveling to another state.

I watched this story on CNN earlier today.

Cancer survivor forced to show prosthetic breast to TSA agents during airport pat-down
 
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Old 11-21-2010, 09:06 PM
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Why, why, why do you post this Cricket as I start to wind down for the night? Now I'm going to be riled again for hours.

If you fly it is now implied that you consent to being groped. If you travel with your family you agree that you 13 year old daughter can be felt up by some total stranger. And you don't even have the chance to walk out.

We might have to change "going postal" to "going tsa"

And I'm so smoking hot I'll get "randomly" picked every time.
 
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Old 11-21-2010, 09:08 PM
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The more I read about this topic and what is actually happening, the hotter I get. When did we the people choose to give up our rights? The war on terror? Looks to me like the terrorist are winning....
 
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Old 11-21-2010, 09:45 PM
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Here's the CAIR press release with instructions for muslim women

http://www.cair.com/ArticleDetails.a...=n&&currPage=1

Apparently the body scanners violate islamic law

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religio...-muslims_N.htm
 
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Old 11-22-2010, 10:05 AM
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The more I read about this topic and what is actually happening, the hotter I get. When did we the people choose to give up our rights? The war on terror? Looks to me like the terrorist are winning....
Young Boy strip searched by TSA (Original w/ Full Story Description)
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That's just stupidity
 
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Old 11-22-2010, 11:15 AM
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I think there seems to be a general lack of common sense on this issue.

When you can't profile a young muslim man who is paying with cash and is just carrying on a small bag full of small bottles of shampoo and conditioner then what is the point of all the pat downs?

I would like to know the story as to why the parent just didn't allow his son to walk through the metal detector. Did the little boy have a pin in his leg? I'd like to know more about the context.

One sad thing that this video brings to mind is that if the terrorists are watching they'll know they need to scrap their plans to use children to smuggle explosives or weapons on planes.

I do think we are precariously close however to suffering at the hands of political correctness and suffering because a few extremists run amok in the world.

That being said, I might think heightened security measures were completely appropriate if I had family on United Airlines FLT 93 or on the flight that exploded over Lockerby, Scotland.

Where do you find the balance on this issue regarding rights and liberty.

Is there a right to fly with only a certain amount of security?

Am I tired of taking my shoes off at the airport - you betcha - am I worried about someone seeing me in an x-ray .... well, if you are that sad of a human being that that gives you a thrill..... you have bigger problems than I do.

I think this is a complex effort that can't be decided in the court of political correctness or public opinion. I think that the officials - both at the airline companies and in the government have their hands tied by both.
 
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Old 11-22-2010, 12:06 PM
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The beleaguered head of the Transportation Security Administration said today that at least one airport passenger screening went too far when an officer reached inside a traveler's underwear, and the agency is open to rethinking its current protocols.

An ABC News employee said she was subject to a "demeaning" search at Newark Liberty International Airport Sunday morning.

"The woman who checked me reached her hands inside my underwear and felt her way around," she said. "It was basically worse than going to the gynecologist. It was embarrassing. It was demeaning. It was inappropriate."

That search was against protocols and "never" should have happened, TSA Administrator John Pistole told "Good Morning America" today.

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/tsa-res...ry?id=12208932
WOW! Just wow!
 
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Old 11-22-2010, 12:10 PM
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Old 11-22-2010, 12:28 PM
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Oh Jesus Jay! That's hilarious!
 
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Old 11-22-2010, 12:38 PM
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Scans and pat-downs: What you should know
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/11/19...ex.html?hpt=C1



Your thoughts? Please explain why you feel the way you do...
I feel its a violation of my 4th Amendment rights. Personally I would feel more comfortable if the airlines were aloud to police this stuff themselves. I'm a strong supporter of profiling. We could learn a lot of from El Al.
 
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Old 11-22-2010, 01:25 PM
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I was ready to be completely irritated at the thought of a 3-year old being body searched but then I read the article and when I see that one of the people making a big fuss is a radio personality and the girls's parent is a newsperson - I start wondering if there is some agenda behind all the news - and it makes me jaded and suspicious of the entire issue.

I'd like to know how many people are actually body searched.... apparently it is only for people who say no to the full body scans. It looks like they are told - I will have to embarassingly put my hand down your pants - I assume it is gloved.

It happens in front of the line - I think that is wiser than a separate room where abuse might be more likely.

Is it really abuse? I'm not saying that it's not - it's just a question.

This really is a thought provoking discussion.

I think there are in every batch of people some ass who will harass a young 20's something woman - that man should be fired and she is probably eligible for some sort of compensation if the event occurred as she described.

But are all of them pervy? Are the rules pervy? X-rays come through our atmosphere all the time - I'd like to know how the full body scans compare to normal exposure - but no one in the press is doing their research on the issue.

I'm so tired of slanted press.

I went through the full body scan in Oklahoma recently and it was quick and easy. I'm not a pilot - I see that they have valid concerns due to repeat exposure - frankly, I agree that they shouldn't have to be checked. If you trust them to take off with the plane, who cares about the butter knives.

I guess we have to find a balance between safety and invasion, facts vs. feelings, and ultimately, if this isn't the way to go then what are the alternatives to somewhat insure our safety as passengers aboard these airlines.
 
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Old 11-22-2010, 03:09 PM
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I think Ford and GM are behind it.
 
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Old 11-22-2010, 03:09 PM
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Oh, and BP.
 
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Old 11-22-2010, 04:39 PM
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You should've said IBM, it would've made more sense.
 
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Old 11-22-2010, 05:21 PM
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You should've said IBM, it would've made more sense.
Really? I'll blame them too then.
 
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Old 11-22-2010, 07:26 PM
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I am pretty pissed about this whole thing, so with my sincere apologies to Francis Scott Key I submit this ballad to America. Just try your best to sing it to the Star Strangled Banana.

O! Say Mister TSA What do you see?
Is the flag flying high or hanging low?
What can the problem be?
A proud Nation dealt a blow.
Our enemies preach to us and run free.
Should we read them their rights.
While they attempt to control our flights
Or just hang them from the nearest tree.
The Land of the free, less than we hoped.
In the name of security, the land of the groped.


Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Do keep in mind that this is the PC version!
 
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Old 11-22-2010, 08:04 PM
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You should've said IBM, it would've made more sense.
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Old 11-22-2010, 09:49 PM
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security

its for security purposes. better be safe than not. just as long as its not "sexual molestation" in a way.
 
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