Your take on muslim countrys boycott of denmark

[Rankenstein]

Originally Posted by sitetutor

Am I wrong for saying that the Muslim world has been anti-Christian and anti-Jewish for as long as I can recall and that they have gotten away with a ton of hate mongering?

I think you are actually
Perhaps what you mean is that 'some' of the Muslim world etc. etc. (what you said above). And that's true. Just as it is true that some of the Christian world has been anti-Jewish, anti-Arab and gotten away with a ton of hate-mongering, and the Jewish world has been anti-Arab etc.

All religions have a minority of psychopaths whose 'God' tells them to hate all sorts of ostensibly harmless stuff...

[Tomassi]

Someone has already died because of the cartoons. a priest in Turkey got shot.

[Ricoool]

looks like "eveyone" wants to see the drawings
http://technorati.com/

[Tomassi]

The overall effect of the radicalists of all religions is creating a we/them feeling among everyone involved, and thats what has to be stopped, imo.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by cashcannon

The overall effect of the radicalists of all religions is creating a we/them feeling among everyone involved, and thats what has to be stopped, imo.

So true. those radicalists have nothing in common with what religion stands for anymore, it's pure political agendas in my view, and very nasty and violent... from both sides from where I'm looking at it.

[sitetutor]

You guys are referring to all religions, but isn't Islam the one that is the most extreme?

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by sitetutor

You guys are referring to all religions, but isn't Islam the one that is the most extreme?

NOT at all, Christian fundamentalists are just as bad. just look at history, the difference is that Christian fundamentalists are hypocrits, they 'talk' love while destroying cultures by 'converting' them into Christianity. It's a take-over, first comes the missionaires, and then comes the industries. Look at history.

We have the problems in the Middle East now because of Christian interference since centuries and it is still going on. Bush is the best example, he also claims in public "god" to be the driving force behind his actions.

What more do you need to open your eyes?

[Zap]

Originally Posted by sitetutor

You guys are referring to all religions, but isn't Islam the one that is the most extreme?

Many christians would have you believe that. For those of us who are non-religious, almost all organized religions seem pretty extreme.

Some will cut your head off if you disobey. Some will stone you. Some will tickle you to death.
But almost ALL of them seem to say "Join us or else".

[sitetutor]

Where do Christians go on suicide missions?

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by sitetutor

Where do Christians go on suicide missions?

How many American casualties were there again in Iraq? I forgot the number. It's not "how" they do it in my view.

[sitetutor]

I believe that if we hadn't started any of the 2 wars, it would have been viewed as a surrender on our part and a lot of attacks on western nations would have followed. It would have been used as a "victory against the infidels" (9/11 would have been the beginning). That is my theory and the reason I am not against the wars.

[Zap]

Originally Posted by sitetutor

I believe that if we hadn't started any of the 2 wars, it would have been viewed as a surrender on our part and a lot of attacks on western nations would have followed. It would have been used as a "victory against the infidels" (9/11 would have been the beginning). That is my theory and the reason I am not against the wars.

I hate to be the one to have to break this to you, sitetutor. But, I think 9/11 IS just the beginning.

Not enough time has passed yet to show otherwise. Look at the bombings in London or the riots in France. These events are not disconnected from the WTC attack. Unfortunately, I think there is more to come.

I think Bush's second invasion of Iraq only served to further anger the muslims in the region. I don't think the effect was to calm or appease radical muslims.

I saw a documentary after 9/11 in which many young muslims were interviewed and the common thread among them was anger at the USA for meddling in their internal affairs and trying to push western ideals on islamic countries.

They were angry about the USA's habit of playing dirty political/military/economic tricks to influence some governments in countries around the world. Cuba, Vietnam, Afghanistan (against Russia), Afghanistan (against Taliban), Iraq, Iran, Nicaragua, etc. And, then getting the hell out of there quickly to let the locals pick up the pieces.

I can't see how the invasion of Iraq did anything but add fuel to that anger. I know Americans are patriotic (and I applaud them for that, so am I). But I don't think Bush is doing your country any good. The wrath that he has brought upon the USA has yet to be revealed. He's written the cheques (checks), they just haven't been cashed yet.

[joecoolfreak]

Its just over 2000 Ferre

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by joecoolfreak

Its just over 2000 Ferre

..send in their dead by a dude who claims god told him so. this is a fact, but I guess you have to be non-religious to see it that way.

[sitetutor]

ccole, I think you are approaching this from the all American white dude perspective and underestimate how fanatic Islamic radicals are. I mean, look at things like this (extreme content, click only if you can handle something gruesome). That is the work of true hatred. You are looking at this from the common sense angle. Common sense won't explain and solve what is going on in the minds of those who commit atrocities such as these.

[Zap]

Originally Posted by sitetutor

ccole, I think you are approaching this from the all American white dude perspective and underestimate how fanatic Islamic radicals are. I mean, look at things like this (extreme content, click only if you can handle something gruesome). That is the work of true hatred. You are looking at this from the common sense angle. Common sense won't explain and solve what is going on in the minds of those who commit atrocities such as these.

I am looking at it from the only perspective I know, my own.

There is a lot of hatred out there. You can't really do anything about the Osamas of this world. They are too far gone, beyond redemption. But these interviews I saw weren't sit down chats with guys like Osama. They were young adults, looking to make their way in the world, not yet corrupted, but leaning that way.

Osama will be dead one day but current US foreign policy will push these young adults down the wrong path, creating many new Osamas.

Common sense may not solve these problems, but then again, it may. If the right approach is taken, then I think common sense and willingness on both sides can solve just about any problem. But, without common sense, the alternative is nonsense, literally.

I just think that the Iraq invasion might not have been in the best interests of the US, Iraq or the world.

Back to the christianity/muslim thing... There are radicals from every corner of the globe affiliated with every religion. Christians might not be chopping heads (these days). But they have their fair share of atrocities. If all religions would just accept people for people, then the world would be a better place. Just my

[Brian]

Let's not forget us Agnostics and Atheists arn't angels, either.

The world would be a better place if ALL of us changed, not just those who "follow" a religion.

[Ricoool]

SPIEGEL INTERVIEW WITH AYAAN HIRSI ALI
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/inte...399263,00.html

Another one from her
http://in.today.reuters.com/news/new...a-236007-1.xml

[sitetutor]

Every President before Bush has been using the middle east to further his own agenda. Everyone has tried to play hero using tactics that were only of short-term focus. Just enough to impress the American public enough until the next election. We can't just blame this on GW, it's a lot that has led to all of this. We have lost respect over there a long time ago, and if nothing else, I do consider Bush's tactic at least one way to put an end to that game.

What gets me about Islamic radicals is the amount of dedication, the fact that they don't even care whether they lose their own children for their "cause". I don't see that within any other group of people. I also don't see too much effort within the Muslim community to put a stop to it. I also don't believe that the percentage of radicals within the community is as low as some are trying to make it out to be.

In many arabic nations, hatred against Jews is taught early on in school. It's something very common and acceptable to talk, joke and glorify killing Jews. I am pretty much alone with my opinion in my family. My cousin has been in Iraq for over a year now. But I don't think we should just leave.

I think that the new generation of Iraqis should be able to make up their own minds regarding their future. And their religious beliefs. I see a lot of people dying, but couldn't it be that their deaths will provide a better future for the world? Sure, this comes off as arrogance assuming my way is better than theirs, but I'm talking about human rights here as well. From a religious point of view, there will be no end. The book of revelations predicts what is going on right now. Christians believe in supporting Jews and Muslims consider Christians and Jews infidels and enemies. So basically, we can now only wait for the anti-Christ to make peace.

Anyways, it's an ugly subject, and I don't believe everything that Bush says (how could anyone), but I believe he is doing more than just filling his pockets. I believe that many do believe that this war is going to benefit everyone. And I do believe that Bush is doing his best. I don't consider myself a republican, but I like Bush (kind of the opposite from John).

[Rankenstein]

I think Dubya is about as Christian as I am, i.e. 0%.

Who would Jesus bomb?