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Old 05-17-2011, 11:33 AM
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Supreme Court Erodes 4th Amendment- Police Can Enter Your Home Without Warrant

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Ginsburg writes in her minority opinion –
The court today arms the police with a way routinely to dishonor the Fourth Amendment’s warrant requirement in drug cases. In lieu of presenting their evidence to a neutral magistrate, police officers may now knock, listen, then break the door down, never mind that they had ample time to obtain a warrant.
How ‘secure’ do our homes remain if police, armed with no warrant, can pound on doors at will and …forcibly enter?”





http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/20...thout-warrant/
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Old 05-17-2011, 06:13 PM
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"Erodes"?
Doesn't seem to adequately describe it.
I think "Cancels" is more accurate.

Welcome to the PSA (Police State of America). Do you have anything to declare? We're going to search you anyway...
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Law enforcement is addicted to drug enforcement.......
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:14 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I thought justice Ginsberg was great in "Wizard of Oz"... especially when she threatened to take Toto away... but there's a reason the vote against her was 8-1. The 4th protects us against "unreasonable" search, and in the case that was being tried the situation was closer to "hot pursuit" than to "gee fellas, wonder what's behind door #1?"

I've addressed police misconduct many times in my blog and a few times to city staff or a chief of a PD... but that does not translate into being a fan of red taping all police officers into a position where they can't do their job. This doesn't sound like breach of the bill of rights, this sounds like someone is hoping a judge will get him off on a procedural argument because "innocent" wasn't gonna sell.

Incidentally, that's my opinion, it isn't up for a vote nor require approval by anyone, and if the usual suspects start calling me a Nazi or some such for voicing it, let me state in advance they can kiss my rear. Saves time to just point it out now. Not planning to hang around and chew on the scenery. :p
 
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I totally agree with robjones, this is definitely not a breach of the 4th Amendment. The police were simply breaking down the door of an alleged drug dealer who they thought were destroying the evidence that they need to prosecute him/her.
 
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Old 05-17-2011, 09:49 PM
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It couldn't be more obvious you guys didn't actually read the article:

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The Kentucky case resulting in the ruling involved the police smelling marijuana in the hallway of an apartment building while chasing a suspect they believed was engaged in selling crack cocaine. When the police knocked on the door of the apartment (which was not the apartment of the initial suspect the police were pursuing) and announced themselves, they heard ‘noises’ inside which led them to believe that evidence was being destroyed. In response, they broke down the door and entered the apartment.
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Old 05-17-2011, 09:55 PM
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"Erodes"?
Doesn't seem to adequately describe it.
I think "Cancels" is more accurate.

Welcome to the PSA (Police State of America). Do you have anything to declare? We're going to search you anyway...
We are losing the culture war.
What is ironic is that people who think this is just fine
are probably opposed to big government.
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Old 05-17-2011, 10:06 PM
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Doubt the 8 justices of the supreme court who voted against the ONE who thought this breached the 4th amendment made their decision without "reading the article". Could even be argued they might have a little more insight than someone that has read one Internet story on the case.

Many would agree that smelling marijuana, followed by the equivalent of a Cheech and Chong routine complete with flushing toilet, meets the requirement of making search a "reasonable" response.

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I bet we (mean the whole world) move to something globally significant, and all these moves of governments, are directed to prevent rapid changes in society somehow.
 
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Old 05-18-2011, 07:14 AM
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That is a totally significant observation Siberforum.
I like it. Think it's true.

I guess the question is ... can we win?
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Old 05-18-2011, 07:28 AM
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Many would agree that smelling marijuana, followed by the equivalent of a cheech and change routine complete with flushing toilet, meets the requirement of making search a "reasonable" response.
Interesting you would see the humorous side. I on the other hand see a different scenario:

Bad Cop says to Good Cop, "Does that sound like someone destroying evidence to you?"

Good Cop says, "Sure does. Let's bust the door down!"

And, I am certain the constitution says no search will take place
without a warrant.
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Old 05-18-2011, 07:33 AM
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And, I am certain the constitution says no search will take place
without a warrant.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am4

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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized
 
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Let us hope that the cops that walk past our front doors are all good cops.....

There is the opportunity for abuse by law-enforcement officers many thousands of times per day.....
the same as there are chances for forum posters to violate laws while off forum....

I guess is has been my good fortune to be exposed to mostly good cops....although I have arrested and fired a few.....but that can happen in any business.....

Sometimes the glass is half full.....

IMHO....law enforcement officers are not the government.....
"we" bumped heads with them...they wanted their names on parks...we wanted equipment........
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As individuals, cops are not the government.
But the government uses cops to enforce their laws.
Whenever a protest is broken up, using whatever BS excuse the government wants to use that day, it's the face of law enforcement that delivers the message to protesters and arrests those who do not comply with the government's wishes.
While they may not be government, they are certainly the government's muscle.
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Let us hope that the cops that walk past our front doors are all good cops.....
I am fairly certain there are cops all around America today who are
scratching their heads and thinking, "WTF!!". This ruling appears to run
counter even to the culture of law enforcement and we can be hopeful
this freight train sized loop hole in common law and acceptable decency
will never be abused. Not much of a peg to hang your hat on though.

I suspect in upscale neighborhoods the police will still come to the door
with hat in hand. In high crime areas, in the ghettos of America,
where an 'us vs them' mentality exists or has taken hold ... I think, for
those of us unfortunate enough to live there ... it might just get Baghdad
weird.

This does not seem to be a ruling intended to ensure domestic tranquility.
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Old 05-18-2011, 09:22 AM
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Whenever a protest is broken up, using whatever BS excuse the government wants to use that day, it's the face of law enforcement that delivers the message to protesters and arrests those who do not comply with the government's wishes.
I hadn't even really thought about this yet on a national level.
While I didn't think it had much affect on street protests,
one does have to wonder what the effect may be at an
organizational level. hummm ....

On another note ... I wonder why this has not received
more national media coverage. It has to be at least as
important as Trump and Huckabee dropping out of the race
or Newt back-stabbing the Ryan plan.
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Old 05-18-2011, 11:32 AM
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Interesting you would see the humorous side. I on the other hand see a different scenario:

Bad Cop says to Good Cop, "Does that sound like someone destroying evidence to you?"

Good Cop says, "Sure does. Let's bust the door down!"
The answer to bad cops is, as Jim said, arrest them and try them. There have always been exceptions to the requirement for a warrant. If cops start randomly breaking into houses I'll be glad to join you in dealing with it.

As for me and you seeing a different side being "interesting"? Interesting would be if we saw it the same.
 
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Old 05-18-2011, 11:50 AM
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If cops start randomly breaking into houses I'll be glad to join you in dealing with it.
My concern is not that abuse will be random; rather that it will be targeted.
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My concern is not that abuse will be random; rather that it will be targeted.
Cops: Oh look someone sitting outside his/her house. He/she looks like a punk.

*cops break into the house*
 
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Cops: Oh look someone sitting outside his/her house. He/she looks like a punk.

*cops break into the house*
Smelling marijuana would I think get you into a lot of houses.
I also wonder: what destroying evidence sound like?

I think the whole concept is unconstitutionally vague.
Then again ... I don't think corporations are people either.

Isn't that weird?
Corporations are people but illegal immigrants aren't.
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