How Would YOU Solve Undocumented Immigrant Issues?

[Cricket]

I am curious what would happen if we made all undocumented immigrants in the U.S. legal. Would it substantially increase the number of tax paying citizens?

How would YOU solve the issues?

[robjones]

Originally Posted by Cricket

I am curious what would happen if we made all undocumented immigrants in the U.S. legal. Would it substantially increase the number of tax paying citizens?

How would YOU solve the issues?

Here... to save time I'll answer for everyone.

Hard-Left Democrat: Great idea. It'd solve the problem entirely so we could focus on the really important things like gun control and legalizing marriage between consenting farm animals.

Hard-Right Republican: How would I solve the problem? Waterboarding.

Tea Party Maven: Wait a minute HLD... wouldn't we add as many people to the welfare rolls as to the tax rolls?

Hard-Left Democrat: Waterboarding?

Canadian Eh?: Now we see the violence inherent in the system! Oh wait, that's a Monty Python quote. Well, anyway.

Moderate Republican: Wait, why is there a gun control quote in this?

Guy here illegally: "Undocumented citizen" is harsh. We prefer the term "Roofers".

DP P&R Troll: There wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the history of blunders in US foreign policy. Let's start with the Bay of Pigs....

Cricket: Did you even read the opening post?

SEO from India: I'm looking to exchange links with PR3 or higher sites on the topic of travel, health care, or ferret handling.

Conspiracy Buff: The Freemasons are responsible for the problem, and they're profiting from it. Ignore that if you will, but I saw it on Youtube, it has to be true.

Moderate Democrat: I'm a little concerned about the potential additions to the welfare system.

Hardcore Democrat: NP. Raise the tax on everyone that doesnt deserve their income. You know, anyone that voted against Obama.

Cricket: Ferret handling?

Santa: We should legalize the nice ones, not the naughty ones.

Tea Party Fella: Shut up, you're imaginary.

Santa: Hey, you had a Moderate Democrat.

Cricket: Can we please keep this conversation somewhere close to the original topic?

Trekkie: Did someone say Aliens?

[Zap]

Don't ever change, Rob.

[ScriptMan]

Originally Posted by Cricket

I am curious what would happen if we made all undocumented immigrants in the U.S. legal. Would it substantially increase the number of tax paying citizens?

How would YOU solve the issues?

Hell no! At the wages they work for they would get a big old earned income credit for all those babies each year. That would be in addition to free health care and food stamps they already receive.

I would enforce the laws we have and increase the penalties for the people who hire and harbor them. I mean business breaking penalties like 10K per day per employee with no way to avoid the fines via bankruptcy. Jail time for repeat convicted offenders, corporate veil exclusions do not apply.

I would also remove the anchor baby status and remove all other benefits for illegal aliens.

No way to earn money or get benefits and they would go home.

The evil people are not the illegal aliens, the evil ones are the ones who profit from it.

[Weebitty]

I agree with Scriptman. I would definitely get rid of the anchor baby law first thing. We have more gangs, more dope, etc. Not saying they are all bad but I am sure Mexico doesn't want them back either. I have met some really nice foreigners but that doesn't mean I want them here illegally either. Why do we make laws if we arn't going to enforce them? Illegal means just that Illegal. Period. Why is the federal government fighting the states that are trying to do something for themselves when it is the federal law in the first place that they arn't upholding? It is a political move to get votes is all. I don't see any benefits as they are taking jobs and sending money home. It is the second biggest source of income to Mexico. So in reality we are supporting another country. Can't afford to do that either. It is also big business to smuggle illegals it is like 7,000.00 a person from my understanding from the news reports. JMHO

[Jim Gillum]

Put me on the Scriptman list.......

Maybe we can save a few dollars to help our (US) senior citizens and our service veterans and active duty folks who are getting sc**ed by our own government.....

Charity begins at home for our folks first.......

[Jim Gillum]

@Rob..
Yes I am still voting for you.......
Maybe twice.....

[Zap]

"Anchor baby"
I had a feeling I knew what that was, but had to look it up to be sure.

In Canada, it doesn't matter. The child born in Canada is a Canadian citizen and legally entitled to live here, but the parents are not and are deportable. And, if the parents are deported, the children under 18 are deported with them. The children can return on their own when they reach 18 years of age. At that time, they can begin the 7-10 year process of sponsoring their parents.

[robjones]

Originally Posted by Zap

"Anchor baby"
I had a feeling I knew what that was, but had to look it up to be sure.

In Canada, it doesn't matter. The child born in Canada is a Canadian citizen and legally entitled to live here, but the parents are not and are deportable. And, if the parents are deported, the children under 18 are deported with them. The children can return on their own when they reach 18 years of age. At that time, they can begin the 7-10 year process of sponsoring their parents.

Makes sense.

[Zap]

Originally Posted by robjones

Makes sense.

Shhhhhh! Don't want the politicians here getting the idea they've done something right.

[robjones]

I wont, if you promise not to tell anyone I agreed with a damned Canadian. I have a rep to maintain.

[rabble]

Hey Rob,

You forgot to have an Anarchist: 'What borders?'

[robjones]

Good point.

[Having now agreed with both a Canadian and a Rabble I shall now go do the honorable thing and hang myself.]

[Bob Barr]

Originally Posted by Zap

"Anchor baby"
I had a feeling I knew what that was, but had to look it up to be sure.

In Canada, it doesn't matter. The child born in Canada is a Canadian citizen and legally entitled to live here, but the parents are not and are deportable. And, if the parents are deported, the children under 18 are deported with them. The children can return on their own when they reach 18 years of age. At that time, they can begin the 7-10 year process of sponsoring their parents.

In the US, the citizenship of the child entitles the entire family to stay. The children can't be deported since they're citizens and the family can't be broken up to deport just the parents and any other non-citizen children. I like Canada's approach. (On the other hand, with the widespread ignoring of existing immigration laws, I'm not really sure that it would make much difference here.)

[G10]

The problem with this is that it could be a double-edged sword.

If all the immigrants were put into the system, and if their pay was low, then surely it would begin to put more strain on the system overall, as they would then be getting things like medic aid etc (or is it medicare, not sure what it is called over there, sorry) and working tax payers would still be paying for them.

Undocumented immigrants SHOULD be dna scanned and sent back. It is classed as a fraud against the state and should be treated as so.

Large companies that take on immigrants, should be given the choice to either pay a small fine and sponsor them for the time that they work here, or, pay a large fine for harbouring them. Though the sponsoring should run on to include that the company will take on a certain percentage of liability if the person absconds, and then again, they are open to fines..

I may sound harsh, but in the UK, there was a case of an illegal immigrant that was forcibly sent back, they ran away, and in the years that they were missing, they were only found in the end as this person stole a car and killed a child whilst driving eratically. And then, had the audacity to PLEAD to remain in the country... I really can't write what I had in mind for that person when they complained that our system was trying to deport them and was taking our system to court...

[ScriptMan]

Originally Posted by G10

The problem with this is that it could be a double-edged sword.

If all the immigrants were put into the system, and if their pay was low, then surely it would begin to put more strain on the system overall, as they would then be getting things like medic aid etc (or is it medicare, not sure what it is called over there, sorry) and working tax payers would still be paying for them.

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You don't understand our system. They get free medical care. Federal law says that no one who goes to an emergency room can be turned away. Cost more to treat them in that environment than a free clinic would cost, but we don't have those most places.

The local health department provides free pre-natal care and all the baby inoculations no questions asked about resident status. If the INS parked a van there they could herd them up quickly.

[rabble]

Originally Posted by ScriptMan

The local health department provides free pre-natal care and all the baby inoculations no questions asked about resident status. If the INS parked a van there they could herd them up quickly.

There is no question these services should be provided to illegals.
It is a matter of insuring public health for all Americans and for the world for that matter.
Making public health services centers roundup points for illegal immigrants
would greatly endanger the success of public health protection programs.

I have a question for you though.
How is it you can honestly and humanly believe all humans don't have an intrinsic right to
live where they are? This concept that government has the right to
wholesale pick up people and move them is fundamentally wrong.
People are not potted plants.

People have human rights.
Mass deportation is a violation of the
Universal Declaration of human rights.

[G10]

Originally Posted by ScriptMan

You don't understand our system. They get free medical care. Federal law says that no one who goes to an emergency room can be turned away. Cost more to treat them in that environment than a free clinic would cost, but we don't have those most places.

The local health department provides free pre-natal care and all the baby inoculations no questions asked about resident status. If the INS parked a van there they could herd them up quickly.

Whoa, that's a rough deal for your tax payers.

Ok, then I vote you guys go with the cheaper alternative. Have bogus ambulance pick them up when they need the care, drive them to a secluded field where the ambulance driver opens the back doors, loads up a high powered rifle and.... Ok, granted, the Geneva convention probably wouldn't see the funny side

[robjones]

Is this the right time to point out that Rabble is a spy sent by the Soviets in 1972 to infiltrate and destroy our economy? :p

[Bob Barr]

Originally Posted by ScriptMan

The local health department provides free pre-natal care and all the baby inoculations no questions asked about resident status. If the INS parked a van there they could herd them up quickly.

There's no need to "herd them up".

1. Make citizenship or legal status a hard and fast requirement for any employment.

2. Make citizenship or legal status a hard and fast requirement for any government benefits. (For immediate medical needs, provide treatment for them before deporting them back to their home countries.)

3. Adopt Canada's approach of deporting American-born minors with the provision that they can exercise their citizenship rights by returning at age 18 if they choose to do so.