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Old 08-19-2011, 12:52 PM
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[B] The Tea Party movement was founded in 2009 -
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Astroturfing is a form of advocacy often in support of a political or corporate agenda designed to give the appearance of a "grassroots" movement. The goal of such campaigns is to disguise the efforts of a political and/or commercial entity as an independent public reaction to some political entity—a politician, political group, product, service or event. The term is a derivation of AstroTurf, a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to look like natural grass.

Astroturfers attempt to orchestrate the actions of apparently diverse and geographically distributed individuals, by both overt ("outreach", "awareness", etc.) and covert (disinformation) means. Astroturfing may be undertaken by an individual promoting a personal agenda, or highly organized professional groups with money from large corporations, unions, non-profits, or activist organizations. Very often, the efforts are conducted by political consultants who also specialize in opposition research. Beneficiaries are not "grass root" campaigners but distant organizations that orchestrate such campaigns.

The genuine beginnings of the Tea Party movement have long been laid to rest and were morphed into a Showcase for and by the Republican party. Simply that there are no Tea Party representatives in Congress but only Republican representatives is proof enough of the original movements demise.
 
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Old 08-19-2011, 04:45 PM
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The genuine beginnings of the Tea Party movement have long been laid to rest and were morphed into a Showcase for and by the Republican party. .
Was the printed on your Koolaid package?
 
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Rabble, a "generic republican candidate" is not an effective measure. Not to mention the demonstrated bias that Rasmussen Reports has. Affiliated with Fox news is all that needs to be said abou their polls.
I'm not sure you should discount the influence the Rasmussen Reports
has with Fox viewers. More people generally watch Fox News (especially
if you combine the coverage with HeadLine News) than watch CNN and MSNBC combined.

It's also a bit hopeful to think that all Obama needs to win the election is
for Republicans to fail to rally around their eventual nominee.
Obama, on the other hand has the potential to alienating whole swaths of
his base. Environmental and anti-war activists will certainly protest.
The poor, the unemployed, the homeless may protest. Maybe even the
sick, the dying, the illegal immigrant. Maybe prisoners will figure out a
way to to voice their opinions.

Will these people vote for a republican? Some.
Will many withhold their vote from a man they feel has betrayed them?
Perhaps.

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The poor, the unemployed, the homeless may protest.
At the rate Obama is going these will BE the republicans.
 
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I am absolutely certain many of the unemployed and homeless
will be (contrary to their own economic interests) Republicans.
There is, after all, essentially only two parties a person can select from
to represent them at the federal level.

At present the republicans have a smörgåsbord of candidates to
choose from. I am curious to see how that will turn out.

My concern is for the fact Obama has no competition and I
agree whole-heartedly with Bernie Sanders I-VT

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I have personally contacted Dennis Kucinich and asked him to run.
No response as yet.
 
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Old 08-30-2011, 11:05 AM
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I am absolutely certain many of the unemployed and homeless
will be (contrary to their own economic interests) Republicans.
There is, after all, essentially only two parties a person can select from
to represent them at the federal level.

At present the republicans have a smörgåsbord of candidates to
choose from. I am curious to see how that will turn out.

My concern is for the fact Obama has no competition and I
agree whole-heartedly with Bernie Sanders I-VT

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I have personally contacted Dennis Kucinich and asked him to run.
No response as yet.

Are you speaking as an independent?

There may not be time enough left for a challenger...

As bad as the situation may seem I'm not sure most Democrats still consider Obama their strongest candidate for 2012. Obama may also have played his cards in a way to insure he would be the sole candidate so no choice is also the best choice anyway.

If for some reason he becomes incapable of raising contributions and falls behind in money then indeed something should have been done but then again who is to know before it is to late?
 
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