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Old 02-17-2012, 05:37 PM
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Sorry Bob, I sometimes forget that when I write something in a joking way the person reading it doesn't always pick that up, cause there's no tone of voice ect.

The guy in the video seems pretty level headed, just looks like one of those people who grew up with guns so they aren't that big a deal to him, I could be wrong though.
 
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Old 02-17-2012, 07:07 PM
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He uses his Facebook for business, so he has pretty much everything set to public (at least as of yesterday he did). I had a minute and I was curious, so I went to his profile and checked out some of his comments, pictures, business and family stuff.

Actually he seems like a pretty down-to-earth and likeable guy. Looks like all the publicity is straining the family though, so I hope it tones down. Usually attention like this is fairly short-lived.
 
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:47 AM
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To me it would have made more sense to take duct tape and wrap it up and show it to her," said Winget, the tough talking author of "Your Kids are Your Own Fault" and "You're Broke Because You Want to Be." "And I would say look at what you can't have. In some ways it is meaner that way. The fact that it is absolutely gone, it's gone. But wrapping it up in duct tape and not letting her have it is meaner, and a stronger punishment."

To me it would have made more sense to take duct tape and wrap it up .... And I would say look at what you can't have.

I only agree with the immediate ^ in bold ... not the "and not letting her have it is meaner, and a stronger punishment".


I am sorry, maybe I just thought his hat was not quite right for the occasion - he is a bully, and I have learned from woman that force is their greatest fear and the furthest from their affection. She was just joking.
 
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Old 02-18-2012, 01:17 PM
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[B] I am sorry, maybe I just thought his hat was not quite right for the occasion -
Dear Abby - i went to personal effort and expense to provide my daughter with the latest technology with which to study, do homework, and interface with her friends on the net.

Her response was to spit on the gift in graphic terms in a very public fashion.

Tomorrow i plan to shoot a video in which I return the consideration by taking said laptop into the backyard and riddle it with .45acp FMJ ammo with a fully chromed Colt 1911 government model pistol, then publish the video on you-tube.

By now no doubt the question i have is glaringly obvious, but I'll go ahead and say it.

What kind of hat should I wear?

Sincerely ~ Confused-by-fashion

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Old 02-19-2012, 07:29 AM
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I am not anti-gun, but as someone previously mentioned a laptop is a valuable thing, especially to an underprivileged kid.

Perhaps donating the laptop to another deserving 15 year old would have been a more worthwhile lesson than wasting a bullet on it.
 
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:15 PM
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lol that's not the way to teach your kids these days. it's a bad example, not only will it not do any good, it'll ruin them.
 
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Old 02-20-2012, 07:59 PM
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lol that's not the way to teach your kids these days. it's a bad example, not only will it not do any good, it'll ruin them.
Nice to have the voice of experience here. So how many kids have you personally raised to adulthood?
 
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Old 02-20-2012, 11:39 PM
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Hmmm, to me it looks like he just got really angry reading what she wrote. I mean, who wouldn't if their kids did something like that. Whether or not someone thinks its the right idea or not to shoot the laptop, I would say that he did what he thought was right at the time. It was for him to decide, and no one else. It doesn't make him a bad person, but one that must have had serious problems with a teenager that got seriously out of hand, and this was his only way to sort it out.

I have two daughters, and even though they are not adult (one is three years away from 18 though), I know it can be really hard. Laying down the right foundations so that a child can grow up well with respect for those around them, especially when they hit their teen years is no easy task. There are too many factors out there that can make a child turn become an impossible teen, and its hard to keep up with it all and even harder to cover everything from every angle.

To me it just looks like, with all the problems he has already had, her declaration on facebook was the straw that broke the camel's back, and he had to do something before all control over the situation was lost.
 
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Old 02-21-2012, 02:59 PM
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Old 02-21-2012, 05:06 PM
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I always thought his heart was in the right place. This update pretty much confirms that.

I do agree that due to the viral nature the punishment in the form of public embarrassment came close to outweighing the crime. Note I said close, not that it did. People should always consider carefully what they post on a social media site.

Just sign me tough old Dad.
 
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:53 PM
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Yeah, his answers pretty much confirm that he isnt the slack jawed yokel nutcase some wanted to paint him to be. There's a portion of our society thats uncomfortable around anyone thats comfortable around firearms. Thats actually kinda funny, cause its people comfortable with firearms that paid for their freedom to spit at 'em in safety and still safeguard it today.
 
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Old 02-22-2012, 01:57 AM
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Thanks for sharing the new link, Cricket.

I'm glad to see that my initial take on the situation wasn't exactly right anyway. It makes a lot more sense after hearing his responses.

I can see the reason for putting a bullet through the laptop, if that's what he'd said he would do. Fortunately it was nowhere near as dramatic as that, but I was trapped by my own threat at least once, and had to follow through on it. If you tell your kids you'll do something if they do that one more time ... you better do what you said you would do. Otherwise they know full well you don't mean what you say, and you lose all credibility.

It is pretty ironic that people can be so uncomfortable with firearms. I have very dear friends in Canada and Australia, btw, that just do NOT "get it" and we can never agree on the topic either, though we are close in many other ways. I sometimes almost hesitate to publicly mention using a firearm or supporting ownership of them because I know there will usually be some sort of backlash.
 
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:11 PM
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I was trapped by my own threat at least once, and had to follow through on it. If you tell your kids you'll do something if they do that one more time ... you better do what you said you would do. Otherwise they know full well you don't mean what you say, and you lose all credibility
The trick is to use a little subtrefuge. Just occasionally drop mentions in casual conversation with the kids about their older brother. As they dont have an older brother, eventually theyll ask why you keep talking about a non-existent sibling.

Then you tell them there WAS an older brother... but he wouldnt clean his room like he was told.
 
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:44 PM
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The trick is to use a little subtrefuge. Just occasionally drop mentions in casual conversation with the kids about their older brother. As they dont have an older brother, eventually theyll ask why you keep talking about a non-existent sibling.

Then you tell them there WAS an older brother... but he wouldnt clean his room like he was told.
LOL! That could work ...

I remember reading something for teachers once that suggested making threats along the lines of "If you xyz, I'll have to ... well ... you don't WANT me to do that!!!" and leaving the threat open.

Actually, I very rarely had to result to anything like that, which I guess is why I had so little practice with it. And the situation I'm referring to happened when she was somewhere around 4 years old. But I made the threat, and yes, I followed through with it (like I said, not dramatic, no big deal, nothing spectacular ... just a lesson for me that whatever I said I had best be willing to follow through.).

I was usually able to do just fine with something like, "If you jump on that ledge, you might fall, and you might end up breaking your neck." Of course, not that exactly. Instead I would have said, "Get down off that ledge right now!" if it had been that dangerous, but you get the idea. It worked well for minor stuff and staved off a lot of the major stuff. My goal at the time (we're talking a preschooler) was to teach her to think it through herself, and it actually worked pretty well. I must have gotten lucky, LOL.

Now, about what you were saying about people being bothered by firearms. I just ran across something online and was coming back in here to mention it. Seems someone choreographed a girls' dance group using handguns as props. I think it's from a TV show, but I'm not really sure as I'm not plugged into all that. Link is here:

There's a survey off to the side, asking whether or not it was offensive for her to do so. Surprisingly, the vote (at the moment) is actually 52% no. At least that's more than half. I had thought it might be less. Not that this is a scientific survey, LOL.

Just a little side note on the topic. I'm surprised they didn't mention shooting laptops.
 
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Old 02-22-2012, 01:21 PM
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There's a survey off to the side, asking whether or not it was offensive for her to do so. Surprisingly, the vote (at the moment) is actually 52% no. At least that's more than half. I had thought it might be less. Not that this is a scientific survey, LOL.

Just a little side note on the topic. I'm surprised they didn't mention shooting laptops.
Toy gun dance routines probably predate girl drill teams themselves.

And for the record, the funniest little girl in that clip wasnt the dancer they interviewed, it was the guy narrating. At least the girl has the excuse of being in the third grade.

That silver pistol used in the routine is a replica of the Beretta 92FS (in Inox finish). Got one of those, its the civilian counterpart to the US M9 semi-auto, the standard issue handgun for US troops since 1985. In other words, outside the Peoples Republic of Hollywood that's not an image that should make anyone uncomfortable... Its an accoutrement of the good guys.

Bad taste would be dressing them in burkas to dance with an AK-47.

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Old 02-23-2012, 03:15 AM
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I'd be happier if when he chose the action he did he shot himself in the foot.
 
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:26 AM
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This thread struck a chord with me as I have only just got back from a trip to one of those foreign cultures. On one particular day we struck a great number of primary school students walking along a very, very narrow street, a main road with a zillion motorbikes and a few cars, but the kids were looking after each other. They wore their yellow shirts, brown ties and shorts/skirts and the older students had their arms around the tiny ones and they were just being kids you know, laughing and having fun.

It was Saturday so it was only a half day at school, so the kids were rapt. Saturday was cleaning day and cleaning day meant that the students did the cleaning. Tiny five year-olds and older with brooms and cleaning cloths in their backpacks had spent their Saturday morning cleaning the school.

I fancy this is a better way of children learning discipline than a sad old man blowing the hell out of a laptop with a gun. Probably just me though.
 
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:58 PM
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This thread struck a chord with me as I have only just got back from a trip to one of those foreign cultures. On one particular day we struck a great number of primary school students walking along a very, very narrow street, a main road with a zillion motorbikes and a few cars, but the kids were looking after each other. They wore their yellow shirts, brown ties and shorts/skirts and the older students had their arms around the tiny ones and they were just being kids you know, laughing and having fun.

It was Saturday so it was only a half day at school, so the kids were rapt. Saturday was cleaning day and cleaning day meant that the students did the cleaning. Tiny five year-olds and older with brooms and cleaning cloths in their backpacks had spent their Saturday morning cleaning the school.

I fancy this is a better way of children learning discipline than a sad old man blowing the hell out of a laptop with a gun. Probably just me though.
Fascinating. Thank you for bringing this lesson to our attention.

Questions:
  • 1. Exactly how many DID you strike?
  • 2. Was it with the car, or did you have to get out and chase them?
  • 3. Is sending our 5 year olds out afoot onto "very very narrow" traffic filled streets, escorted by laughing children, to swell the underage labor force the only parenting skill you fancy, or are there other such practical ideas you can share?

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Old 02-23-2012, 01:43 PM
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Fascinating. Thank you for bringing this lesson to our attention.

Questions:
  • 1. Exactly how many DID you strike?
  • 2. Was it with the car, or did you have to get out and chase them?
  • 3. Is sending our 5 year olds out afoot onto "very very narrow" traffic filled streets, escorted by laughing children, to swell the underage labor force the only parenting skill you fancy, or are there other such practical ideas you can share?
I know it's a waste of time trying to explain that things happen differently in other countries but ...

Rural roads have just enough room for two cars to get past, most people can only afford a bike although it takes them a lifetime to pay off that bike. Police turn a blind eye to people riding without helmets in rural situations. Mostly there are no police anyway. In the city they set up roadblocks and you pay an on the spot fine (bribe) and go on your way. In rural areas some children who live a long way from the school ride unlicensed without helmets when parents can afford the deposit on a bike - there is no public transport - most children walk as parents don't have cars or bikes.

As our guide said the kids were happy because their work was done and they were on their way home. Probably would have still been happy when torrential rain fell (it is monsoon season). We could have got out of our comfortable car and explained about child labour and how their actions were threatening the economy but really it's just a way for kids to learn work ethics and about learning how to appreciate what they have.

Just like kids everywhere they were having a ball. It puts life in perspective when you come home and see a video of a parent shooting a child's laptop to teach the kid a lesson.

As an aside - the sight of an entire family (2 adults, 3 kids) on one motorcycle without helmets was mindboggling. But that's the way it is.
 
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:16 PM
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How does the existence or lack of helmet laws for riders make it more or less safe to send 5 year olds escorted by children out walking "along a very, very narrow street, a main road with a zillion motorbikes and a few cars"?

Does the fact that there are either no police or mostly corrupt police present, as indicated in the next post, somehow make it safer?

Just trying to figure out how this struck you as a model of good parenting that we need to learn from.
 
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