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Old 02-23-2012, 01:30 PM
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How does the existence or lack of helmet laws for riders make it more or less safe to send 5 year olds escorted by children out walking "along a very, very narrow street, a main road with a zillion motorbikes and a few cars"?

Does the fact that there are either no police or mostly corrupt police present, as indicated in the next post, somehow make it safer?

Just trying to figure out how this struck you as a model of good parenting that we need to learn from.
Would it be better if their parents walked beside them? - sorry just can't see that - another 1000 people walking the streets. The kids look after each other and I can tell you that it is a constant stream of kids.

Not trying to teach you good parenting skills - you do what you want. Just pointing out that there are other ways of doing things rather than blowing apart a computer.

And yeah, there are no police in rural areas, each village has a team of unpaid older people who step in when required. And yeah, the police are corrupt. It will cost a local about $20 if caught without a helmet or with broken mirrors. Cheaper than the fine I believe. If you don't want to pay the bribe or the fine you buy a helmet when you can afford one. That's the way it is. As one bloke said "It makes life simple."
 
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Old 02-23-2012, 01:47 PM
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Not trying to teach you good parenting skills - you do what you want. Just pointing out that there are other ways of doing things rather than blowing apart a computer.
If sending 5year olds out to negotiate narrow streets in heavy traffic isnt what you suggested (even though your conclusion indicated the example was something you "fancy")... what "other ways" did you point out?
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:05 PM
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If sending 5year olds out to negotiate narrow streets in heavy traffic isnt what you suggested (even though your conclusion indicated the example was something you "fancy")... what "other ways" did you point out?
"It was Saturday so it was only a half day at school, so the kids were rapt. Saturday was cleaning day and cleaning day meant that the students did the cleaning. Tiny five year-olds and older with brooms and cleaning cloths in their backpacks had spent their Saturday morning cleaning the school.

I fancy this is a better way of children learning discipline than a sad old man blowing the hell out of a laptop with a gun. Probably just me though. "

The other aspects were setting the scene.
 
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:28 PM
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Ohh, so the exasperated explanation about things being different in other countries, the corrupt police, helmet laws, the availibility of mass transport... None of it had to do with the lesson? Thanks for the extra scene setting instead of answering.

Basically we both know you actually dont favor US citizens in general and guns in specific, so i was just playing with ya Bob, I didnt really expect you to say anything nice about a US citizen with a gun.

Ftr - If you ever come to the states there's a good chance of employment as a morning TV host. Hoda's liver can't last forever.
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:34 PM
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Partly correct. I don't say anything nice about any citizen of any country who has a gun. I don't care if they are in the US, Australia or Italy.

I don't know who Hoda is but I'm sure my liver won't last forever either, so I feel for him.
 
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:35 PM
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I don't know who Hoda is but I'm sure my liver won't last forever either, so I feel for him.
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:52 PM
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Partly correct. I don't say anything nice about any citizen of any country who has a gun. I don't care if they are in the US, Australia or Italy.
Do you make an exception for policemen or should we take all of their guns away as well as from the citizens?
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When I was 3 and 4 I lived with my aunt and uncle in a small cabin in AK. We were blessed with running water...it ran right off the mountainside.

My uncle ran a pipe way up the hill alongside a creek with the last 30 feet or so in the creek weighted down with rocks. Our friend gravity brought water right to our taps. As long as it stayed above 32 degrees.

Did I say we were in AK?

When the inevitable happened we would then have to trudge down to where the creek emptied into the bay. There it would be thawed enough to fill containers. We all three had homemade yokes with pails. The adults had normal sized pails but my "pails" said Folgers on the side. Both my aunt and uncle towed sleds with garbage cans full of water as well.

This is an example of the kind of chores I was used to 40 plus years ago.

Now I have children of my own ages 6 and almost 9. Do they have to haul water from a creek in frigid weather? No. Do they have to split and stack firewood? No. They don't even have to do dishes because we have a dishwasher...but you should see the unimaginably prodigious fit they throw every time I shoot their laptops.
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I dont have anything against kids being given chores. It is good for them. That said, theres a difference between methods of teaching kids to be disciplined and methods of disciplining children.

Both include the word discipline, but while related, they arent the same.Its like the difference between teaching children to tell time vs what you do when one comes in after the time they were due home.

If one reads the update link cricket posted, the guy sounds pretty normal, so painting him as a vicious brute just doesnt seem to fit. Granted, some will do it if their opinion of anyone that uses firearms is to stereotype them as vicious brutes, but that sorta blanket stereotyping says more about the one doing it than it does their target.
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"Hey kids, want to get your parents to buy you a new laptop? Just shoot it! But, please don't blow your head or hands off in the process!"

Redneck parenting, absolutely. Acceptable, absolutely not! Just wait until some kid shoots his laptop and then shoots and kills their parents/siblings/schoolmate/etc in the process.
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"Hey kids, want to get your parents to buy you a new laptop? Just shoot it! But, please don't blow your head or hands off in the process!"

Redneck parenting, absolutely. Acceptable, absolutely not! Just wait until some kid shoots his laptop and then shoots and kills their parents/siblings/schoolmate/etc in the process.
Perhaps you could explain your reference to rednecks so I can decide if I am offended or not?
 
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My guess would be it's the kids who are not taught about firearms who find them irresistible and end up having "accidents".

My grandpa took me into the woods with a rifle when I was about 7 years old and taught me to shoot, same as he did my mother. As far as I know, he never locked his gun cabinet. I knew better than to try opening the door to find out. I know my mom kept a pistol in her nightstand, most likely loaded, and I never played with it. We were taught how to handle guns, how to use them safely, and to respect them. I've shot at targets and been able to hunt since I was a child. And my generation is certainly not the first. It has been that way for some years back through my family. I don't know of a single "accident" or anyone "blowing their hands or heads off in the process", nor accidentally killing anyone over the past 5 generations in which I'm fairly familiar with our history.

I can recall my great-aunt being questioned about her children being taught blacksmithing and hunting when it wasn't common to teach such things to children, and someone mentioned the children "shooting themselves in the foot" and I can tell you that she was rather insulted by the suggestion. Why do people assume it's impossible to teach children responsible behavior?
 
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Why do people assume it's impossible to teach children responsible behavior?
My guess would be that they're projecting their own parenting inability onto anyone who differs with their (translation: the right) way of raising children. If raising children the right way, like they do, hasn't taught their feral spawn responsible behavior, then obviously nobody can do it.
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"Hey kids, want to get your parents to buy you a new laptop? Just shoot it! But, please don't blow your head or hands off in the process!"

Redneck parenting, absolutely. Acceptable, absolutely not! Just wait until some kid shoots his laptop and then shoots and kills their parents/siblings/schoolmate/etc in the process.
How many children have you raised and how are they doing?
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"Hey kids, want to get your parents to buy you a new laptop? Just shoot it! But, please don't blow your head or hands off in the process!"

Redneck parenting, absolutely. Acceptable, absolutely not! Just wait until some kid shoots his laptop and then shoots and kills their parents/siblings/schoolmate/etc in the process.
Ah, it was not the child that shot the laptop, the parent did after finding out what their daughter posted about them on facebook.

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Redneck parenting, absolutely. Acceptable, absolutely not! Just wait until some kid shoots his laptop and then shoots and kills their parents/siblings/schoolmate/etc in the process
The 2nd largest gator taken in the state of Texas was killed a couple of years ago by a 5 year old boy with a .410 shotgun on his family's place. His dad taught him early, as where they live about everything that crawls can kill you. http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...oy-1730371.php

Kids raised using firearms as tools from the ground up arent fascinated by making them go boom. They know firearms safety... and are a helluvalot less likely discharge guns the wrong direction than kids that have long been forbidden to touch 'em. Nothing quite as dangerous as that combination of ignorance of their function and a burning desire to try one out.
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Perhaps you could explain your reference to rednecks so I can decide if I am offended or not?
If you've got one or more cars in the front yard blocked up on bullet-riddled laptops, you just miiiight be a...
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