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Old 03-30-2012, 03:15 PM
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New Executive Order Gives Obama Unprecedented Power

I received this in an email from my U.S. Representative, Kay Granger of Texas:

""With all that is going in Washington these days some things don’t make the news the way they should. Fourteen days ago President Obama issued an Executive Order that you should know about. This order gives an unprecedented level of authority to the President and the federal government to take over all the fundamental parts of our economy - in the name of national security - in times of national emergency.

This means all of our water resources, construction services and materials (steel, concrete, etc.), our civil transportation system, food and health resources, our energy supplies including oil and natural gas – even farm equipment – can be taken over by the President and his cabinet secretaries. The Government can also draft U.S. citizens into the military and force U.S. citizens to fulfill "labor requirements" for the purposes of "national defense." There is not even any Congressional oversight, only briefings are required.

By issuing this as an Executive Order the President puts the federal government above the law, which, in a democracy, is never supposed to happen.

As President and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, he has the Constitutional authority to issue executive orders. And while similar orders have been made before by presidents from Eisenhower and Reagan to Clinton and George Bush – it has never been done to this extent.

It is still unclear why this order was signed now, and what the consequences are for our nation – especially during times of peace. This type of Martial Law imposes a government takeover on U.S. citizens that is typically reserved for national emergencies, not in a time of relative peace
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Very interesting. Sounds a bit like overstepping boundaries to me, but I thought you should all see this. What are your thoughts? Is it necessary in the war on terror or is it seizing extra power that's unwarranted?
 
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Old 03-30-2012, 03:24 PM
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Yup, heard about it when it happened. It hit the news for me because it specifically mentioned farms, livestock, anything used to produce food, even COMPOST. Not to mention drafting the citizens as labor too.

I'm a little surprised there wasn't more of a splash made about it. The potential ramifications are staggering. And I don't see as how the current situation warrants such a measure, by any means.

So why now?
 
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Old 03-30-2012, 03:31 PM
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The amount of control that the government is trying to impose on us in the name of *protection* and *security* is becoming staggering. At what end will they stop, although I see this as a sort of snowball effect. The more they sign legislation and mandates into law, the more power they'll get, resulting in more attempts to increase power. A vicious cycle if you will.

Another real world example was the increasing of the TSA's budget, which led to the ridiculous measures of paying $100 fees to skip searches. If it ain't broke, don't fix it is what I've always heard. I feel the suspect motivations behind things like this are of a dubious and underhanded nature.
 
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Old 03-30-2012, 03:33 PM
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What do you expect from a Socialist? Socialism would be the norm.

I do appreciate the post as I had not heard about the latest power grab.
 
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Old 03-30-2012, 09:44 PM
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Anybody got a link to a story about this? I want to post stupid blog comments on the story.

I almost spit out my coffee reading this thread title.
 
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Old 03-30-2012, 09:53 PM
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Are y'all referring to this?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...s-preparedness

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/edwin-...b_1359715.html
 
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Old 03-30-2012, 11:16 PM
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I suppose one could take this as a natural and probably
prudent response to Benjamin Netanyahu's refusal to promise
Israel would not launch a pre-emptive strike against Iran's
nuclear facilities.
 
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Old 03-31-2012, 05:17 AM
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I trusted Clinton for the most part. This guy I don't trust.
 
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:38 AM
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can someone point out the section of the order that allows
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This means all of our water resources, construction services and materials (steel, concrete, etc.), our civil transportation system, food and health resources, our energy supplies including oil and natural gas – even farm equipment – can be taken over by the President and his cabinet secretaries. The Government can also draft U.S. citizens into the military and force U.S. citizens to fulfill "labor requirements" for the purposes of "national defense." There is not even any Congressional oversight, only briefings are required.
 
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:52 PM
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Would this be the one?

PART II - PRIORITIES AND ALLOCATIONS

Sec. 201. Priorities and Allocations Authorities. (a) The authority of the President conferred by section 101 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071, to require acceptance and priority performance of contracts or orders (other than contracts of employment) to promote the national defense over performance of any other contracts or orders, and to allocate materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense, is delegated to the following agency heads:

(1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;

(2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;

(3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;

(4) the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;


(5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and

(6) the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.

<snipping several sections>



(e) The Secretary of each resource department, when necessary, shall make the finding required under section 101(b) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071(b). This finding shall be submitted for the President's approval through the Assistant to the President and National Security Advisor and the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism. Upon such approval, the Secretary of the resource department that made the finding may use the authority of section 101(a) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071(a), to control the general distribution of any material (including applicable services) in the civilian market.

Does that about cover it?

(BTW, source for this is http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...s-preparedness)
 
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Old 04-02-2012, 05:33 AM
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What do you expect from a Socialist? Socialism would be the norm.

I do appreciate the post as I had not heard about the latest power grab.
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I trusted Clinton for the most part. This guy I don't trust.
I can understand that you like the current sitting President much less than the last one or the next Republican President.
Everyone has their preferences.

But do you believe that (if Mittens gets the hotseat next) the next Republican President is going to repeal this legislation or other legislation like it?
Or do you feel that the power grab will continue unabated?

History shows us that the power grab kicked into high gear under GWB and accelerated under Obama.
I suppose it's possible, but I have a hard time believing that the next Republican President will do any better at protecting liberty.
 
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Old 04-02-2012, 05:43 AM
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What is really bothering me is the president say that certain laws are not in effect, or that wavers are being granted excluding some from the laws. The president doesn't have the authority to create or dismiss laws.
 
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The president doesn't have the authority to create or dismiss laws.
There is a reason why the president's branch of the government is called
'the executive branch.' While the 'legislative branch' is solely able to 'make law', it is the executive branch which figures out how they will be carried out or enforced. And, when we have an idealogical logger-head (do nothing)
congress like the one we now have, it is entirely foreseeable the executive branch will expand it's power to fill the vacuum.

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What is really bothering me is the president say that certain laws are not in effect, or that wavers are being granted excluding some from the laws.
Call me a cynic ... it is very likely some favors are being sold for service in kind or other considerations.
Would be nice if congress would quit bickering and do their job.

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Would be nice if congress would quit bickering and do their job.
Which do you think is intended and which do you think is the norm?

You get ten guesses and the first 9 don't count.
 
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Old 04-02-2012, 03:14 PM
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History shows us that the power grab kicked into high gear under GWB and accelerated under Obama.
I suppose it's possible, but I have a hard time believing that the next Republican President will do any better at protecting liberty.
I fear I must agree with you though it saddens me to do so. At this point in time I don't think any one person change the course of events.
 
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That's change for ya.
 
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Old 04-03-2012, 05:22 AM
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I fear I must agree with you though it saddens me to do so. At this point in time I don't think any one person change the course of events.
Where there is agreement, there is commonality and great opportunities for resolution.

Heard a story recently.
There is an island with some monkeys on it. 10,000 Monkeys, to be exact.
Researchers taught one monkey to wash his coconuts before eating them.
Once he was taught to wash his coconuts, he was realeased back into the wild.
After a couple of days, there were two monkeys washing their coconuts.
Then there were three, then four and then five.
A week had passed and ten monkeys were washing their coconuts before eating them.
10 monkeys out of 10,000. Not very encouraging.
A few weeks had passed and still, there were very few monkeys washing their coconuts. Only 50 monkeys were washing their coconuts after almost a month after teaching the first monkey to do so.
This continued on until the 100th monkey.
When the 100th monkey started washing his coconuts, a miraculous thing happened...
All 10,000 monkeys switched mindsets and began washing their coconuts before eating them.

You only need enough commonality to get to the 100th monkey.
At that point, the monkeys will join and wash all of the coconuts out of Washington.
 
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Old 04-03-2012, 05:41 AM
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Monkey see monkey do. That is the general concept in DC for the last 40 years.

 
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Old 04-04-2012, 11:24 AM
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It's a lot trickier to monkey See Monkey Do than you think, Zap.
Congressmen are more like ticks than coconuts.
 
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Old 04-05-2012, 05:15 AM
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It's a lot trickier to monkey See Monkey Do than you think, Zap.
Congressmen are more like ticks than coconuts.
But we're all still monkeys with a herd mentality.
When enough of the herd moves in the same direction, the rest of the herd falls in line or gets trampled.
 
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