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Old 04-15-2012, 06:08 AM
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Exclamation In it to win it (Ron Paul)

So last night I watched a little bit of the start of SNL and caught a skit where Romney and Santorum are at a bar reminiscing about the race and they are slowly joined by Perry, Bachmann, Cain and finally Gingrich, who they shun because his campaign is broke and he hasn't quit yet. The whole gist of the skit was that the race was over and and Romney has won. Guess who's name was never mentioned and who didn't make an appearance? I sat there watching and wondering if this might end up being a modern twist on "Dewey Defeats Truman".

This race isn't over yet. Lots of district and state conventions were held Friday and yesterday in several states to select the national delegates for the convention in Tampa and unofficial reports are that Ron Paul supporters are turning out in huge numbers:

Colorado - Ron 13 delegates, Mitt 13 delegates, Santorum 7 delegates, 3 super delegates expected to go for Mitt
Minnesota - Ron swept 9 out of 9 delegates and 9 out of 9 alternate delegates from the districts that convened
Oklahoma - Ron swept 6 out of 6 delegates and 6 out of 6 alternate delegates from districts 3 & 5.

Even more interesting are reports from people at the conventions that the Ron Paul and Rick Santorum campaigns were coordinating and pushing "unity" slates to thwart the Romney campaign. If the reports are true, this coordination came from the national campaigns and not the grassroots levels. If this continues, Romney may not get the 1,144 delegates he needs to secure the nomination outright.

The media is doing their best to ignore the Ron Paul campaign (I doubt you will find any coverage of what's really happening with delegate selections) and annoint Romney as the GOP nominee. However, money talks. There is a fundraiser for the Ron Paul campaign happening today - right now. This is a critical juncture. If you support Ron Paul, or even just don't like Mitt Romney, please consider donating whatever you can spare. Even $10 helps (the Paul campaign is very frugal and smart with their money - fiscal conservatism that walks the walk):



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Old 04-15-2012, 08:06 AM
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So last night I watched a little bit of the start of SNL and caught a skit where Romney and Santorum are at a bar reminiscing about the race and they are slowly joined by Perry, Bachmann, Cain and finally Gingrich, who they shun because his campaign is broke and he hasn't quit yet. The whole gist of the skit was that the race was over and and Romney has won. Guess who's name was never mentioned and who didn't make an appearance?
What does it tell you? All are coming from the same elite think tank, I am wondering if is really the American people interest to have these guys, because most of them will support their friends and think tank before any of us.


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The media is doing their best to ignore the Ron Paul campaign.
Most media are owned by the "behind the scene masters"



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However, money talks. There is a fundraiser for the Ron Paul campaign happening today - right now. This is a critical juncture. If you support Ron Paul, or even just don't like Mitt Romney, please consider donating whatever you can spare. Even $10 helps (the Paul campaign is very frugal and smart with their money - fiscal conservatism that walks the walk):



https://secure.ronpaul2012.com/

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Sounds great, IMO Ron Paul is the best politician.
 
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Old 04-15-2012, 03:18 PM
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Ron Paul is the only one I would feel 100% comfortable voting for.
 
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Old 04-16-2012, 06:06 AM
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At least with Ron Paul, you know what you're getting.
Other politicians will promise you what you want to hear and then change their tune after the election.
Whether you agree with some, all, none or most of Ron Paul's policies, it's difficult to counter his consistency.

The old boys club of the Republicans and Democrats has been tried, time and time again, and it's failing.
Would things really be so much worse than they are right now, by trying something different in November? Something consistent?
 
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I'm not sure what the new here is. With Santorum quitting the delegates are being split between the remaining candidates. Both CO and MI were victories for Santorum. It appears that Romney increased his delegate total in CO. I expect he well also do so in MI. OK was a 3 way split. Even if Ron were to pick up all of Santorum's delegate OK would still be a 3 way split.

The reason the media didn't cover this for several reasons. First, short of the most amazing turning around in world history Ron Paul is not going to get the nomination. The second, is nothing major happened. Even if Ron were to pick up 100% of Santorum's delegates it wouldn't change anything. I guess they could have ran this headline "CO, MI & OK vote, Ron Paul now trails Romney by only 586 delegates."
 
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Old 04-16-2012, 08:18 AM
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Remember, this is a state where Santorum won with 40% of the caucus popular vote. Romney came in 2nd with 35% and Ron Paul finished last with 12%. Yet Paul is in a virtual tie for the lead in terms of the actual votes he will get on the first ballot at the RNC.
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How many more states are going to turn out like Colorado?

Santorum won the caucus vote in Missouri by a much wider margin with 55% of the vote. Romney finished second with 25% and Paul was a distant third with 12%. However, early indications are that Paul will win far more delegates at Missouri’s state convention June 1-2. According to Fox News, Missouri’s GOP leadership admits that Paul may get all of the delegates from Missouri.

The Iowa GOP leadership has previously acknowledged that Paul may win Iowa as well. Iowa holds its state convention on June 16.

These are all states where Ron Paul lost the popular vote by a wide margin. In states like Maine, Alaska, Minnesota and others, where Paul finished a close 2nd or at least did much better, he could win the final delegate counts by wide margins.
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http://communities.washingtontimes.c...ll-challenge-/

Very few states are 100% winner take all like Florida:

http://www.fairvote.org/delegate-all...es-in-2012-gop

This is a bit dated today, but the gist of it remains:
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The delegate totals you are hearing from major media outlets are estimates that are not panning out like they would in past elections because the Ron Paul supporters are actually fighting for delegates they way any determined faction should.
 
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So your argument is that the delegates are going to ignore the popular vote and all start voting for Ron Paul?? Could they - yes, will they - no.
 
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Old 04-16-2012, 08:48 AM
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The delegates are going to vote for whoever they are bound to vote for. Delegates for Ron Paul who are not bound to vote for someone else will vote for Ron Paul. Probably 90% or more of the "undeclared" delegates are Ron Paul delegates (as in Colorado) according to what I'm hearing from people who are attending the district and state conventions around the country. Should Ron Paul supporters sweep Missouri, heck yes, they are going to vote for Ron Paul irrespective of the popular statewide straw poll results. If you don't like it, you should become a delegate and participate in process. Attend your own district and/or state wide convention. Good luck.
 
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So you support having a GOP candidate that didn't receive a majority of the votes in the primary elections?
 
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Old 04-16-2012, 09:20 AM
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I support Ron Paul.
 
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Z: Whether you agree with some, all, none or most of Ron Paul's policies, it's difficult to counter his consistency.
is there any thought which state / states might actually support Paul in the General Election ... Rod Sterling's "Twilight Zone" might be a starting point.
 
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Old 04-16-2012, 12:25 PM
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Perhaps the same ones that would purportedly support Romney? Paul is polling better than Romney versus Obama lately:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...ied-nationally
 
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I'm not sure where The Hill got those numbers. If you go to the Rasmussen and RealClearPolitics sites mentioned in The Hill they have have Romney over Obama 47 to 43% with Romney on an upward trend. RealClearPolitics also has Paul losing to Obama 43 to 42%. Both polls are for Monday the 16th.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Correction: I did find the 43/42 results for Ron Paul. The polls from the 12th, did give Ron Paul a single point lead over Obama.

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Old 04-17-2012, 04:42 AM
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It's a fluid situation... The point remains. A Paul/Obama match up is just as competitive (and sometimes more so) than a Romney/Obama match up.
 
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:47 AM
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is there any thought which state / states might actually support Paul in the General Election ... Rod Sterling's "Twilight Zone" might be a starting point.
Your comment doesn't bode well for the US when Ron Paul is the only economically responsible candidate and the only candidate who seems concerned at all with liberty.

Obama, Romney, Gingrich are all the same. They will tell you what they think you want to hear.

Ron Paul will tell you what you need to hear. No BS. No caveats. No doublespeak.
 
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Your comment doesn't bode well for the US ...........

Ron Paul will tell you what you need to hear. No BS. No caveats. No doublespeak.

Of course one must then accept the last real truth speaker was Ross Perot and those charts. That sucking sound was jobs leaving America. That is why there are no jobs now.

Just telling it like it really is.
 
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Old 04-18-2012, 04:30 AM
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Of course one must then accept the last real truth speaker was Ross Perot and those charts. That sucking sound was jobs leaving America. That is why there are no jobs now.

Just telling it like it really is.
He sure called that one right, didn't he?
 
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Old 04-22-2012, 11:39 AM
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Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex>) continued to display strong support among Minnesota Republicans as his Presidential campaign won more delegate slots at Congressional District conventions held Saturday across the state.

Paul's campaign swept all the delegate and alternate slots in Congressional District No. 2, which south metro suburbs and CD 4 which is St. Paul, Ramsey County and the east metro. Paul's forces also won two delegate slots each in CD 1, which is southern Minnesota and CD 8 which is northern Minnesota.

All the CD conventions have conclude and Paul has won 20 out of the 24 delegate slots at stake and nearly all of the alternates. Given that the composition of the delegations to the state convention, which is set for May 4-5 in St. Cloud, is similar to that of the CD conventions, there is a very good chance Rep. Paul will come away with the lion's share of delegates from Minnesota.
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Interesting. I am still here just here to throw peanuts.
I doubt a Ron Paul nomination or third party run
would move me from the undecided column
without serious changes in what I perceive as his
radically conservative domestic policy stance.
 
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Ron Paul supporters surged to victory in yesterday’s Minnesota and Iowa district conventions, dominating the process and picking up more delegates to the Republican National Convention. As reported last week, a number of Romney Hawks are now deeply concerned that Ron Paul has already laid the groundwork for similar success in six more caucus states. Yesterday’s results will only increase their influence inside the Romney camp.

Romney advisers are concerned that the rising total of Ron Paul delegates will lead to an unmanageable RNC. Some observers felt that the 1992 convention hurt an incumbent president George H. W. Bush and was a factor in his loss to Bill Clinton.

In most states, victories at the district conventions decide who will move onto the state conventions where most of the delegates to the Republican National Convention in Tampa will be selected.
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In Iowa, Jennifer Jacobs, a reporter for the Des Moines Resister, broke into open what had been our little secret, namely, the takeover of the GOP in Iowa. “A rising tide of Republicans who share Ron Paul’s philosophy of limited government are flooding into GOP party roles in Iowa,” Jennifer wrote, reporting on yesterdays Iowa district conventions.

Actually, it is a phenomenon seen all across the country. It is viewed by many political observers as the biggest transformation of the Republican Party since 1988, when evangelical Christians joined the process and dominated state positions for a whole generation.

While the Iowa Ron Paul campaign is keeping its cards close to the vest, we all got a sneak peak from an the Des Moines Register story which reported that six of the new Iowa GOP state central committee members elected Saturday have publicly expressed support for Ron Paul. Joes Kurtinitis, Kris Thiessen, Dave Cushman, Jeff Shipley, John Kabitzke and Marcus Fedler. “Two more,” Jennifer Jacobs reports, “have close ties.” The new state chairman is also a Ron Paul supporter, who served as a co-chairman for the congressman’s Iowa state organization.

The Iowa state GOP convention is set for Jun 16, 2012.

Meanwhile, the sleepy New York Times has posted for five months and still posts, even today, that the total delegate count for Ron Paul in Iowa is one. They say that the total delegate count for Ron Paul in Minnesota is nine. In fact, Ron Paul supporters will now dominate both state conventions. And the same trend is ongoing in states across the country.
http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2012/0...ey-in-a-panic/

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