Worse than Zimmerman? Border Agent beat and Taze man til dead. Shocking Video.

[Breeze Wood]

Originally Posted by rabble

I do not think it necessary to turn this into a religious discussion.

good point - just an observation of possible relevancy.

[Muddy]

Originally Posted by Breeze Wood

as a side note rabble our congregation believes you are really talking about the year Zero - and the misinterpretation of that event being the same order then as now to bring Justice to the perpetrators of the same crime by the same assailants.

as the reason to be found for mans expulsion.

Originally Posted by Breeze Wood

A short while at DP

I know nothing of the "Jewish" religion or of a particular relevance to year Zero

There "were" no Christians, save the Saint by name at the time of Crucifixion and as long as the crime is not brought to Justice there never will be "Christians" -

the entire event "year Zero" per dialogue, the Bible is entirely misinterpreted - "Why Have You Forsaken Me".

[Zap]

Originally Posted by robjones

Amazing. I get the munchies just reading it.

It certainly explains a LOT, doesn't it?

[Breeze Wood]

Originally Posted by Muddy

Clueless

Simply that the death of Anastasio Hernández-Roja is not an isolated Event that can likewise be traced to the injustice of year Zero (as ongoing events) that similarly is a misinterpretation of Reality that only prolongs the events without resolution.

and is not a Religious Discussion.

[txshellie]

We should become involved and passionate about when people are murdered unjustly whether it's someone crossing the border illegally or a member of border patrol.

Yes. There should be a full investigation. Saying that homeland security precludes an investigation puts us all one step closer to seeing the Gestappo back in our time and country.

The police, military, patrol... all law enforcement agencies contain bad apples who are attracted to their professions because they are violent, ruthless, jerks who want power to lord over other people.

Same could be said for some religious folk I've run into... but this is not a religious thread. <smile>

However, I think most of the members of these necessary branches of government are fine men and women who deserve our respect and gratitude.

As a side note, it's time we recognized that there is a need for an improved worker visa program and significant changes to our current immigration non-policy.

The federal government either needs to turn the issue fully over to the states or pull it's head out and deal with this problem.

To recap: Have a trial for Goodness sake and if it's found these men murdered a man in cold blood incarcerate them.

[Seven3]

Originally Posted by Breeze Wood

A short while at DP

I know nothing of the "Jewish" religion or of a particular relevance to year Zero

There "were" no Christians, save the Saint by name at the time of Crucifixion and as long as the crime is not brought to Justice there never will be "Christians" -

the entire event "year Zero" per dialogue, the Bible is entirely misinterpreted - "Why Have You Forsaken Me".

Originally Posted by robjones

Amazing. I get the munchies just reading it.

Back on topic, I'm sadly not surprised, these "professions" typically attract poorly socialised thugs that get off on that sort of behaviour.

I don't think you will ever fix the problem because positions of power tend to attract those that are least suited to wield it. You are always going to have thugs in these types of positions because they would have trouble filling them otherwise.

Not condoning it at all, I'm just a realist and tend to see some things as virtually unsolvable problems that are part of any society.

Best you can do is identify these people and remove them from the positions, unfortunately that will only happen after they do something like this. If they toughened up the screening process too much they would have problems recruiting enough staff and just relax it again.

[Breeze Wood]

Yes, my posts have not performed as hoped in this thread ... I apologies for the misunderstandings they have caused.

[lets4410]

I don't understand why border patrols guards or police need to even use their tazers unless they are outweighed or out numbered, they should be trained in basic judo and wrestling techniques in training so they know how to hold and restrain a person without using an electric heart stopper on them.

Also when a nasty person gets a uniform they usually get more nasty when they think they can get away with it, at night on the border for example. Sometimes all it takes to De-escalate a situation like this is for someone (within the uniform group) to shout at the main aggressor, something like "What the F**k do you think your Doing?!" and everyone kind of realizes things are going to far.

Unfortunately sometimes this doesn't happen because no one wants to argue with their own side, even when they know they should.

[rabble]

Originally Posted by lets4410

Sometimes all it takes to De-escalate a situation like this is for someone (within the uniform group) to shout at the main aggressor, something like "What the F**k do you think your Doing?!" and everyone kind of realizes things are going to far.

Unfortunately sometimes this doesn't happen because no one wants to argue with their own side, even when they know they should.

That is another aspect in this event. At least a dozen border patrol agents
are standing around while the main assault takes place from two or three men. Guards or border police are taking cell phones from witnesses and telling them to move along rather than taking names as will be necessary for a proper investigation.

An investigation is clearly needed to learn why these people did not know the proper way to conduct themselves. Is it improper training? Is it a crony cover-up? These are the questions an investigation will reveal.

Another aspect of the 'You Need To Know' that surely needs investigation is
the shooting deaths of two mexican youths who were throwing stones at border police at the border. This seems to me to be an extreme example of 'stand your ground' mentality, not to mention how detrimental this must be for Mexican-American relations.

[Zap]

Perhaps Jim could ring in here with his opinion because he is an ex-cop.

Maybe it's time to reexamine the code that police officers follow, where they back each other up unconditionally and maybe switch that around to backing each other up only as long as the law isn't being broken. The police are there to protect society and it seems more often than not that the code is hurting society. It results in deaths of suspects in police custody all over the world and fosters negative feelings towards the police from people who would otherwise regard police officers with more respect.

[Seven3]

Nice idea, however I don't think it is going to happen. I don't have any experience as a cop however I am an ex soldier and from that experience I can tell you that these attitudes are deeply entrenched and usually passed along in the early days of training.

Not trying to tar all members of a profession with the same brush but it's fairly obvious that there are bad apples in any bunch.

Even for the good ones I think it is just easier to keep quiet than risk the repercussions that come from doing the right thing.

[Zap]

Originally Posted by Seven3

Nice idea, however I don't think it is going to happen. I don't have any experience as a cop however I am an ex soldier and from that experience I can tell you that these attitudes are deeply entrenched and usually passed along in the early days of training.

Not trying to tar all members of a profession with the same brush but it's fairly obvious that there are bad apples in any bunch.

Even for the good ones I think it is just easier to keep quiet than risk the repercussions that come from doing the right thing.

That's why I suggested it.
There are tons of good cops who suffer when bad cops do something wrong and are protected.
I fully expect cops to protect each other. I think that comes with the job that they do.
However, the good cops are good cops because they uphold the law. That is in conflict with backing up a bad cop who has broken the law.
There's no reason to dismantle the brotherhood, just tweak it so that bad cops are not protected by the good ones.
All cops suffer the consequences from society when they do.