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Old 07-16-2012, 05:56 PM
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Obama - Government creates jobs, not entrepreneurs

An interesting article from the UK's Daily Mail. Has anybody seen this covered at all in a US news source? Was it even covered on Fox news?
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'And what do you know?': Business leaders hit back at Obama after he says the wealthy AREN'T responsible for their own success

By Toby Harnden

PUBLISHED: 00:43 EST, 16 July 2012 | UPDATED: 18:29 EST, 16 July 2012

America's leading small business association has slammed Barack Obama for showing 'an utter lack of understanding' of the country's entrepreneurs when he told them: 'If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.'

In a hard-hitting statement to Mail Online, the National Federation of Independent Businesses (NFIB) president Dan Danne said: 'What a disappointment to hear President Obama's revealing comments challenging the significance of America's entrepreneurs.

Mr Danne added: 'His unfortunate remarks over the weekend show an utter lack of understanding and appreciation for the people who take a huge personal risk and work endless hours to start a business and create jobs.'

President Obama said in a speech at the weekend that governments and not individuals create jobs, telling entrepreneurs: 'If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.'

He added: 'You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.'

The inflammatory campaign speech comments underline the extent to which Obama believes that the state rather than ordinary citizens create jobs and wealth.

They highlight a key contrast with Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican nominee, who is preaching a message of wealth creation by individuals and reinvigorating the private sector.

Andrea Saul, spokeswoman for Romney, told Fox News that the remarks 'reflect just how unqualified he is to lead us to a real economic recovery' and were ' insulting to the hardworking entrepreneurs, small-business owners, and job creators who are the backbone of our economy.'

An NFIB spokesman added: 'I'm sure every small-business owner who took a second mortgage on their home, maxed out their credit cards or borrowed money from their own retirement savings to start their business disagrees strongly with President Obama's claim. They know that hard work does matter.
Excerpt. More at: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-success.html
 
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:43 PM
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An interesting article from the UK's Daily Mail. Has anybody seen this covered at all in a US news source? Was it even covered on Fox news?
Interesting to get more information overseas isn't it?

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Old 07-16-2012, 07:00 PM
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This president only understands food stamps and hand outs.

Pity his ignorance and vote him out of office.

Get his a** out and then show him how to create jobs.
 
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It was covered on Fox, plus a lot of blogs I read.

The statement just shows the guy is slowly shedding the pretense and admitting he has no respect for capitalism or capitalists, resents successful people {unless they are handing him graft}, and considers government the source of all blessings.

That's not especially surprising considering the guy has zero business experience and has lived his whole career on the dole. He's never sweated meeting a payroll or sacrificed to build a business... so he thinks entrepreneurs have it easy and clearly don't pay "their fair share".

He clearly doesn't understand capitalism {or math}.

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Old 07-16-2012, 07:36 PM
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He continued: 'If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.

'Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.

'The internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the internet so that all the companies could make money off the internet.'

He made the argument that all this showed that 'there are some things we do better together' and was how the American middle class was built.

'You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did.'

'Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea? God bless. Keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.'

a sensible speech remindfull of LBJ's - Great Society.
 
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a sensible speech remindfull of LBJ's - Great Society.
Yeah, Lyndon was a real humanitarian. Was that the speech where he said...

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“I’ll have those nigg**s voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” —
or was that the time that he said...

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“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”
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Lyndon was well known in our state for the political clout he held with the residents of cemeteries... so I guess he and Obama did have some things in common.
 
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:22 PM
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“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”
The real problem that LBJ had with blacks was that the Democrats could no longer count on the KKK helping them. At that point, I believe even Robert Byrd (D-WV) had resigned his Klan membership.
 
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It's not only Mr Obama who believe that rich people don't create jobs:

"Entrepreneurs and investors do not create the jobs in our economy. The economy itself creates the jobs. and it does this most effectively when it is healthy, meaning that all of the key components, including the middle class, have enough disposable income that they can buy what our companies produce."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/no-st...#ixzz20rrMgR4v
 
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:57 AM
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FDR and the new Deal worked to give the American people the best and Highest paying jobs in the world - and did so.

Ronald Reagan and modern Republicanism took back from the middle class its foundation of sufficiency and replaced it with Trickel-Down and Voodoo Economics into Venture Capitalism that ultimately led to the prospects of a New World Wide Depression that has temporarily if not permanently been Alleviated.

LBJ and IKE Conservatism were of the same mold and of a Golden Age.
 
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FDR and the new deal kept the country afloat. World War II created jobs and restored the economy.
 
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FDR and the new Deal worked to give the American people the best and Highest paying jobs in the world - and did so.
Misconception. It is not nor has it ever been the function of government to "give" jobs.

FTR, neither is it the government's function to give money to those that contribute the most to the president, but Obama seems to be doing it frequently anyway. It isn't an accident that Obama donors have been vastly over-represented in terms of billions of taxpayer dollars that have been senselessly squandered.
 
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FDR and the new Deal worked to give the American people the best and Highest paying jobs in the world - and did so.

Ronald Reagan and modern Republicanism took back from the middle class its foundation of sufficiency and replaced it with Trickel-Down and Voodoo Economics into Venture Capitalism that ultimately led to the prospects of a New World Wide Depression that has temporarily if not permanently been Alleviated.

LBJ and IKE Conservatism were of the same mold and of a Golden Age.
You certainly are consistent. Painfully wrong, but consistent. Democrats - good; Republicans - bad. You've got that part memorized.

FDR's New Deal instilled a socialist mindset that told people government programs are the solution to all the world's ills. If a government program doesn't produce results, you obviously need to expand it and feed it more money.

LBJ built on FDR's legacy of socialism with his Great Society. The welfare dependency that grew from it destroyed the black family and fostered an even greater dependence on government programs.
 
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No Bob, what we believe is Justice must be restored to its proper Moorings, taken from it by the events of the Year Zero.


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House GOP measure would kill AmeriCorps program

WASHINGTON (AP) — House Republicans Tuesday unveiled legislation to get rid of AmeriCorps, the national service program, and cut off federal funding for National Public Radio, public television and Planned Parenthood.

above are the same elements that would have crucified JC in the same manner.


*only the first few pages of the Judea / Christian Bible are without the influence of the Forbidden Fruit - that mankind must seek remittance to the OuterWorld of the Everlasting to be restored to the original reason for existence -


only by a return to Justice can Mankind fulfill the prophecy of God.
 
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No Bob, what we believe is Justice must be restored to its proper Moorings, taken from it by the events of the Year Zero.
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above are the same elements that would have crucified JC in the same manner.


*only the first few pages of the Judea / Christian Bible are without the influence of the Forbidden Fruit - that mankind must seek remittance to the OuterWorld of the Everlasting to be restored to the original reason for existence -


only by a return to Justice can Mankind fulfill the prophecy of God.
Just recording those in case they disappear.
 
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In a very strict technical sense, Mr. Obama is correct.

However, in the overall economic picture, the President is wrong.

It is the private sector's creative vision, capital and toil that drive the economy...not the government.

His comments marginalize the contributions of the business owner's contributions to the United States economy.

It is disturbing that he does not recognize that.
 
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In a socialist system the government is involved in the private sector.

In a communist system, the government act like the private sector with much more less efficiency.

Perhaps the President Obama was talking about what the masters of this new system want to achieve which could be a system similar or hybrid from what I described above.

It will make more sense.
 
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What's the fuss? The government DOES produce jobs...

Whackjobs, nutjobs and hackjobs.
 
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the Military Industrial Complex is completely funded by the American taxpayer and entirely responsible for the jobs that are produced, as an example of the interchange between private and public input that maintains the American economy.

Public works, Education etc etc
 
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Annnnd the horse you rode in on, too...

Check out the following hashtag on Twitter: #BarackObamaDidItForThem

Pretty telling response.

The following cartoon seems to sum up the prevailing sentiment regarding the president's attitude toward successful entrepreneurs.
The only obvious error I see with the drawing is that it doesn't show Obama's hands in the guy's pocket.


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