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Old 07-18-2012, 09:59 AM
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Mitt Romney Taxes Controversy Shows He's Still A Tough Sell

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Months after he mathematically locked up the Republican presidential nomination, Mitt Romney remains a political hairball that GOP insiders -- conservative and otherwise -- wish they could cough up before the convention in Tampa, Fla., next month.

The likelihood of their doing so is slim to none, party sources said. But that doesn't mean that they are happy to have Mitt atop the ticket.

That is the real, unspoken political meaning behind he remarkable, rising chorus of voices calling on the presumptive party nominee to release more of his federal tax returns to the public.

"The fact is, no one likes the guy or believes in him," said the campaign manager for a former Romney rival, who declined to be quoted by name because his former boss is on record supporting Romney's campaign against incumbent President Barack Obama.

"Look back at our 2008 primaries," he said. "Who did all the other candidates dislike? Romney. Look at this year. Who did all the other candidates dislike? Romney. No one wants Obama to win, but no one likes the guy who is running against him."

Republican leaders, especially conservatives, see Romney as a malleable, cynical power-grabber without principle or compass. They warned voters that Romney would be unable to take the fight to Obama on health care because he had fostered a similar program as governor of Massachusetts, and they argued that a wealthy, well-connected son of privilege was not a good spokesman for selling free-market ideas to the middle-class.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1681636.html

There is something fishy, why Mitt Romney doesn't want to release his full federal tax returns to the public before the GOP convention in Tampa, Fla?

Why the Republicans bid on a guy that will not get the people together like Ron Paul which have more chance to win against President Obama?
 
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:10 PM
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Republican leaders, especially conservatives, see Romney as a malleable, cynical power-grabber without principle or compass.
hopefully for Mittens sake, they will keep the above to themselves -

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NE: Why the Republicans bid on a guy that will not get the people together like Ron Paul which have more chance to win against President Obama?

get the people together ...


RP did not do that himself within the Republican Party, with that example it would be very unlikely he would accomplish anything different in the general election.

when he chose to run as a Republican he alienated whatever independent grassroot support he might have inspired.
 
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:41 PM
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when he chose to run as a Republican he alienated whatever independent grassroot support he might have inspired.
Well I am not sure about that, in my opinion he had much more exposure as Republican even if he was ignored by some mainstream media.

I think that the whole idea was to integrated a big political party and spray his philosophy in TV debates and interviews. As independent I am not sure he would have the same publicity.

I guess a third party is a great idea, because many people don't feel repesented by these two political parties even if there are some good things in each side.

I am sure some Americans will love to be more involved in politics if a third party was created.
 
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Old 07-18-2012, 09:58 PM
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I'd join the Rob Jones party.
 
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Old 07-19-2012, 05:55 AM
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I think Romney is the wrong choice for the Republicans.
He doesn't stand a chance against Obama because he is so much like Obama and people tend to go with the devil they know.
Ron Paul actually does have a shot against Obama.
Romney isn't bringing people together and inspiring hope like Ron Paul is.
Looking at Romney with a very generous eye, you can say, at best, that he's an unknown in terms of what he wants to accomplish, once you wipe away all the campaign rhetoric.
Ron Paul, on the other hand, has a record behind him that is decades long and his character is pretty much out there for all to see and proven by the years.
 
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Old 07-19-2012, 07:42 AM
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I think Romney is the wrong choice for the Republicans.
I think so too

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Ron Paul, on the other hand, has a record behind him that is decades long and his character is pretty much out there for all to see and proven by the years.
I couldn't agree more with this.
 
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Old 07-19-2012, 09:12 AM
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He doesn't stand a chance against Obama because ...
well in truth, the "chances" for him are there however the Rs could have made a better choice ...


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Z: Ron Paul, on the other hand, has a record behind him that is decades long and his character is pretty much out there for all to see and proven by the years.
very surprising RP did not attract more attention than he did, or for that matter the other Tea Party stalwarts ... maybe there is a message in that for the General election - a positive one for the Democrats. it really does not make sense.
 
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Old 07-19-2012, 09:51 AM
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Yeah, but Ron Paul's foreign policy scares me.

I'm not crazy about Romney, but Obama is a died in the wool socialist. That's not the way this country was set up to run. Obama scares me a lot more than Ron Paul or Romney.
 
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:08 AM
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very surprising RP did not attract more attention than he did, or for that matter the other Tea Party stalwarts ... maybe there is a message in that for the General election - a positive one for the Democrats. it really does not make sense.
Well, Ron Paul has some major ties to the original grass roots Tea Party movement, but rapidly highjacked by a few Republicans with another agenda.

We couldn't talk about the message as you mentionned because his ideas were either ignored or demonized.

Pretty ironic that most of mainstream media machine was against his philosophy when we all know that the founding fathers of this great nation were libertarians
 
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Old 07-19-2012, 05:51 PM
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Yeah, but Ron Paul's foreign policy scares me.

I'm not crazy about Romney, but Obama is a died in the wool socialist. That's not the way this country was set up to run. Obama scares me a lot more than Ron Paul or Romney.
What about Ron Paul's foreign policy scares you?
His notion that staying out of the affairs of other nations and putting an end to the countless wars might actually make the US safer?
He stands for bringing troops home and stopping the expansion of the empire.
Having all that extra money saved to be put to use to work on the US at home?
Having all those troops at home to defend the US?

His policy is peace and prosperity and non interference. What's scary about that?
 
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Old 07-19-2012, 06:15 PM
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Ah Zap, there you go again. It makes too darned much sense for most folks.
 
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Old 07-19-2012, 07:09 PM
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Still Voting For 'Mitt Romney'?

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Old 07-19-2012, 09:20 PM
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BTW, Ron Paul is still looking to take the nomination and he's not officially out of the race.
August will be interesting.
If the Republicans want the whitehouse, Ron Paul is their best shot at it.
 
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Old 07-20-2012, 06:50 AM
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BTW, Ron Paul is still looking to take the nomination and he's not officially out of the race.
August will be interesting.
If the Republicans want the whitehouse, Ron Paul is their best shot at it.
Very true.

I don't understand why the Republicans put the worse candidate at the head of their GOP election. Perhaps the masters setup this as a way that the Republicans will lose the Presidential election, and keep going the agenda with President Obama who is so far giving to the masters what they really want, who knows what's going on in the shadow.

When I saw all the dirty tricks against Ron Paul, it is obvious that it is not a fair election, and if we want things to change, it should be a radical policy or it is the status quo until the system crash totally. This system is set to crash anyway, and it is just a question of time.

The only candidate with courage is Ron Paul who bring all the problems on the table, perhaps nobody like what he says, but that's the truth and courageous radical decisions and removing the parasites can only fix the system.
 
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:28 AM
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... and removing the parasites can only fix the system.
we certainly can agree with that

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Itís Time for Mitt Romney to Invite Sarah Palin to Speak at GOP Convention

and good luck in Tampa - not just RP but the Tea Party seems a bit off kilter in regards to Romney.

maybe RP and Sara can have a joint appearance ...
 
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Old 07-20-2012, 09:00 AM
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not just RP but the Tea Party seems a bit off kilter in regards to Romney.
Well you just have to check who are the top contributors of Mitt Romney to understand that he is not going to bring all the factions of the right wing together.

Organizations' PACs see who they are
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/co...p?id=N00000286

Ron Paul Is Benefiting The Least From Super PACs Among Presidential Candidates
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1478485.html

Watch the Brian Doherty interview.

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Old 07-26-2012, 05:34 PM
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Another flip flop?

Last year:
Mitt Romney: Loosen regulations on banks
By Shannon Mccaffrey

Associated Press
Published: Thursday, June 16 2011 2:50 p.m. MDT

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...-on-banks.html


This year:
Mitt Romney: Banking Regulation Is Essential To The Functioning Of Markets
The Huffington Post
By Jon Ward Posted: 07/26/2012 4:56 pm Updated: 07/26/2012 5:29 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1707456.html

Can we believe this candidate?
 
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Now that Paul Ryan is with him I think he's a perfect choice. Paul will be sure to keep him straight on the financial end.
 
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Old 08-16-2012, 06:42 PM
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Now that Paul Ryan is with him I think he's a perfect choice. Paul will be sure to keep him straight on the financial end.
Are you referring to the same Paul Ryan who voted FOR the banker bailouts?
Increasing the debt ceiling? Bigger government?

This Paul Ryan?

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Old 08-17-2012, 04:45 AM
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Thanks. I needed to hear the voice of reason even it it was speaking from the grave.

Do you think if enough of us write in his name he might do one more turn?
 
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