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Old 08-15-2012, 10:23 AM
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Yet another federal agency, the Social Security Administration, is doing a bit of "stocking up" on ammunition.
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The SSA Is Buying 174,000 Rounds Of High-Powered Ammunition
Robert Johnson | Aug. 15, 2012, 11:47 AM

First the DHS needed 450 million rounds of ammunition, then the NOAA requested 46,000 rounds, now we've discovered an online request at FBO.Gov calling for 174,000 rounds of ammunition for the Social Security Administration.

The request actually calls for 174K .357 hollow points that arguably have as much stopping power as any bullet out there, and hollow point to do as much damage to soft tissue as possible on top of that.

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Excerpt. More at: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-d...unition-2012-8
 
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Old 08-15-2012, 10:28 AM
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Hmmm...interesting discussion..

"Guns don't kill people; people kill people" - how very true, especially in light of the mass killings across USA
The US has almost as many guns as it does people. We have a bit over 300 million people and a bit fewer than 300 million guns. Hundreds of millions of those people (and their guns) have never killed anybody.
 
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Old 08-15-2012, 10:48 AM
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Yet another federal agency, the Social Security Administration, is doing a bit of "stocking up" on ammunition.
Interesting that the government is working on a ammunition ban online in the congress, when at the same time they are buying 10 times more ammunitions than ordinary for their national agencies.

They really show us the love they have for us...
 
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:27 PM
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Surely you're not suggesting that the government is inefficient?

Just be glad we don't get all the government we pay for.
 
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:07 PM
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Yet another federal agency, the Social Security Administration, is doing a bit of "stocking up" on ammunition.

Excerpt. More at: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-d...unition-2012-8
Maybe they're anticipating a less than enthusiastic response when the people find out that the social security they've been paying into for years is broke because its been looted.
 
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:12 PM
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Good news: somebody from the govt explained why the Natl Oceanic & Atmospheric Admin (misreported on original order as Natl Weather Svc) needs all that ammunition.

Bad news: the answer is pretty much bull****. Nobody uses hollow points and frangibles for qualification purposes. It'd be like feeding fillet mignon to the dog.

See story here: http://www.businessinsider.com/this-...unition-2012-8
 
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Old 08-15-2012, 02:16 PM
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Please let me teach you something here: Lever action are mostly made for hunting with devastating round ammunition. If you want to compare, a hunting lever action round vs assault rifle round like a AK 47, the 7.62 round will be 25% ~ 50% less lethal than a the lever action.

JHP bullets are like any hunting rounds, they are devastating and mostly more powerful to have a high stopping power.

Guns don't kill people; people kill people.

well, and by the way all hollow points and frangibles ammunition should be outlawed entirely as already observed by the military -

if someone wants highpower ammunition - ok, lets just try and keep it under control.


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you are a little late with that one, it really does not work or use it accordingly than as a selective representation.
 
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Old 08-15-2012, 02:49 PM
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well, and by the way all hollow points and frangibles ammunition should be outlawed entirely as already observed by the military -
Well my friend NATO ammunitions are not made "to kill" but to wound, and if you question any veterans they will tell you that most of the time they need to shoot their ennemies more than one time to disable them. In military all kind of ammunitions are used, Armor percing amunitions included.

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you are a little late with that one, it really does not work or use it accordingly than as a selective representation.
Firearm Ownership is Mandatory for All Households in Kennesaw, Georgia

25 Years Later, "Gun Town USA" Continues to Maintains Exceptionally Low Crime Stats

http://voices.yahoo.com/firearm-owne...43.html?cat=17
 
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Old 08-15-2012, 03:54 PM
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Firearm Ownership is Mandatory for All Households in Kennesaw, Georgia
Just a little bit of history. I remember when this happened way back when. It was a time when nationally some cities were enacting gun bans. One or some of the city counsel proposed banning guns in Kennesaw. In frustration the rest of the members pushed thru the mandatory gun law.
 
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Old 08-15-2012, 04:53 PM
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Just a little bit of history. I remember when this happened way back when. It was a time when nationally some cities were enacting gun bans. One or some of the city counsel proposed banning guns in Kennesaw. In frustration the rest of the members pushed thru the mandatory gun law.
Do you have any link mentionning this?

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Not only was the ordinance passed by city council, it was a unanimous decision.
 
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Old 08-15-2012, 05:15 PM
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Do you have any link mentionning this?

From the same article:
No it is from my childhood memory. Maybe I am remembering it wrong. It may have been some community activist that were pushing for a ban, but I do have a distinct memory about it. Who knows perhaps I have the whole thing twisted around it has been a while.
 
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Old 08-15-2012, 07:20 PM
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No it is from my childhood memory. Maybe I am remembering it wrong. It may have been some community activist that were pushing for a ban, but I do have a distinct memory about it. Who knows perhaps I have the whole thing twisted around it has been a while.
I was just curious, no big whoop
 
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Old 08-15-2012, 08:35 PM
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Firearm Ownership is Mandatory for All Households in Kennesaw, Georgia

25 Years Later, "Gun Town USA" Continues to Maintains Exceptionally Low Crime Stats

http://voices.yahoo.com/firearm-owne...43.html?cat=17
Had a look around at this one and really there is no one that could really confirm that it actually reduced crime whatsoever. The best comment was from the sheriff involved who said it "may" have helped but crime was low to start with. The law has so many outs that anyone who wants can bypass the law and no one has ever been prosecuted for not owning a gun.

A neighbouring city Ackworth was so impressed with Kennesaw introducing this law that they introduced a law required all residents to own a rake. No word of whether this cleaned the place up.
 
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Old 08-15-2012, 08:48 PM
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A neighbouring city Ackworth was so impressed with Kennesaw introducing this law that they introduced a law required all residents to own a rake. No word of whether this cleaned the place up.
Yeah, the full story is there at: http://rense.com/general9/gunlaw.htm
 
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:36 PM
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Here's a link to an article written by retired US Maj General Jerry Curry, with a running tally on the growing ammo purchases by domestic agencies under control of the executive branch and expressing his alarm that Congress isn't asking some hard questions based on the unprecedented arms buildup in agencies that just don't have a need for that firepower to do their assigned jobs.

Article: Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?

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In the war in Iraq, our military forces expended approximately 70 million rounds per year. In March DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen. Is this something we and the Congress should be concerned about? What’s the plan that requires so many dead Americans, even during times of civil unrest? Has Congress and the Administration vetted the plan in public.

I fear that Congress won’t take these ammunition purchases seriously until they are all led from Capitol Hill in handcuffs. Why buy all this ammunition unless you plan to use it. Unknown to Congress, Does DHS plan to declare war on some country? Shouldn’t Congress hold hearings on why the Administration is stockpiling this ammunition all across the nation? How will it be used; what are the Administration’s plans?

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/17/wh...#ixzz24IzsCkmQ
If I'm crazy... appears I at least have highly qualified company.
 
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:46 AM
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Too bad our best hope to neuter this trend in the DHS didn't get enough support when it counted. The die is cast I'm afraid.
 
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Old 08-24-2012, 10:38 AM
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.gov response via Fox:
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... the Social Security Administration, are trying to put a damper on the speculation -- noting the ammunition is "standard issue" and simply used for mandatory federal training sessions.
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But the Social Security Administration statement, posted Thursday, noted that their agents need firearms and ammo in the course of training, investigations and responding to threats against offices and employees.

"As we said in a recent post, our office has criminal investigators, or special agents, who are responsible for investigating violations of the laws that govern SSA's programs," the office said.

The agency said it has 295 special agents across 66 offices in the country. "These investigators have full law enforcement authority, including executing search warrants and making arrests," the statement said.

As for concern about the type of bullets -- hollow points, which expand upon impact -- the statement said the type is "standard issue" and is used during "mandatory quarterly firearms qualifications and other training sessions."
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The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA, found itself scrambling to respond to a similar report this week about an order for 46,000 rounds of ammo. ...

Spokesman Scott Smullen said ... the ammo is "standard issue" and will be used by 63 enforcement personnel at NOAA during qualifications and training sessions.

"NOAA officers and agents enforce the nation's ocean and fishing laws to ensure a level playing field for fishermen and to protect marine species like whales, dolphins and turtles," he said.

According to NOAA, the specialized agents are supposed to have 200 rounds in their "duty bag," and qualification and training requires another 500-600 rounds per agent.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...mmo-purchases/
 
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:46 AM
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Except, still, you don't use hollow points for training, so the explanation about being used for training is a bald faced lie.
 
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Except, still, you don't use hollow points for training, so the explanation about being used for training is a bald faced lie.
They should use for training 22 Cal, it is more economical
 
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Old 08-25-2012, 05:37 AM
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Except, still, you don't use hollow points for training, so the explanation about being used for training is a bald faced lie.
...and all of these agencies are running out of ammo at the same time?
...and ordering so much ammo, all at once?
(750 million rounds for the DHS alone! That's almost enough to shoot each American 3 times!)
 
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