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Old 12-11-2012, 02:02 PM
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You have been Baracked!

Your health care costs will rise in 2014 by $63 per person in addition to any other costs increase. An obscure paragraph just discovered contains the language that a per person, flat fee is to be collected to fund the atrocity know as ObamaCare.

Was it good for you? Would you like a cigaret now?
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:30 PM
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when I Googled Script Man's: $63 per person flat fee is to be collected to fund the atrocity know as ObamaCare - - all that came up from Google was SM's post in this thread ...

are you sure Script ?

anyway, that may be a small fee for a successful attempt to reign in the exploding cost of Health Care.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:42 PM
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Fox news reported it this afternoon. Let the other networks figure out they can't hide it and they will carry the story.

Here it is on their site now: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...hit-consumers/

oh look CBS has the same story: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57558392/health-care-law-surprise-$63-per-person-fee-for-three-years/
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:49 PM
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Breeze,

You might have tried a little harder. Searching for "$63 per person" returned a ton of hits. Among them was this:

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Health care law surprise: $63 per-person fee for three years

WASHINGTON

Medical plans are facing an unexpected new fee. It's to help cover people with pre-existing conditions under President Obama's health care overhaul.

The $63-per-head fee -- buried in a recent regulation -- will hit health plans serving an estimated 190 million Americans, mostly workers and their families. It's payable starting in 2014.

Employers are not happy. The cost of compliance works out to tens of millions of dollars for the largest companies, maybe a few hundred for small firms. Most of that will get passed on to workers.
Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...r-three-years/

$63 per person times 190 million people is no small fee, it's almost $12 billion dollars.

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If you really believe that Obamacare will reduce health care costs or health insurance costs, you're clearly operating outside of reality.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:50 PM
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Bob beat me to the update. Not sure why his link worked and mine did not.
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The Obama administration says it is a temporary assessment levied for three years starting in 2014, designed to raise $25 billion. It starts at $63 and then declines.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2273005.html
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:12 PM
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No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth!

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Source: http://ronaldreaganquote.com/2011/04...ment-programs/
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"No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth!"

Ronald Reagan
Source: http://ronaldreaganquote.com/2011/04...ment-programs/
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Worth repeating!

"No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth!"

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Source: http://ronaldreaganquote.com/2011/04...ment-programs/
I don't know what to say, $5.25 per month to be "solidaire" meaning "who stand together" with people having pre-existing conditions doesn't represent a huge deal. "It set the per capita rate at $5.25 per month, which works out to $63 a year."

I think people should unlock their individualism for important causes like the one described above.
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:51 AM
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Just get sick and tired of the government helping me so d*** much by slowly draining away money......

four quarters (cash) equals a whole dollar....x how many more?

A few more "important" causes and I can look for a cardboard box to live in...
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I don't know what to say, $5.25 per month to be "solidaire" meaning "who stand together" with people having pre-existing conditions doesn't represent a huge deal. "It set the per capita rate at $5.25 per month, which works out to $63 a year."

I think people should unlock their individualism for important causes like the one described above.
You sound like a penny insurance salesman. Only $5.25
190,000,000
63. ×
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11,970,000,000 =

That is almost 12 billion dollars being sucked out of the pockets of working Americans and fed to fat cats and rats. I realize the current entrenched, Washington mentality considers a billion pocket change but I don't.

The income tax was a temporary measure to fund WW I.
<See Reagan quotes above>

And please do keep in mind that this is in addition to the rate increase that will come because of increased medical costs, compliance and whatever else the greedy insurance companies want to add on.
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LOL guys, you are such exaggerators...
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ACA is not a Harrier Jet, the law needs a runway for it to take off - then everything will be just fine.
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LOL guys, you are such exaggerators...
190 million people in this country have health care. The fee is $63 per person. You can check my math but I think my calculator is accurate. I am pretty sure I know how to copy and paste. Where's the exaggeration?
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LOL guys, you are such exaggerators...
Where's the exaggeration? At $5.25 per month, that's $63 per person per year. Applied to 190,000,000 people, that's $11.97 billion (with a B) dollars per year.
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Where's the exaggeration?
$5.25 per month to help and save people with pre-existing conditions is a very little sacrifice, don't you think?

Sure, this health care system is not perfect, but at least some kids, some very sick people, some eldery will be helped.
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Someday Bob they will understand the math and the fallacy of taxing the rich. Why if we let the 100,000 richest Americans pay 630 per year that would only raise a paltry 63 million.
630
100,000 ×
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63,000,000 =

It takes a broad base to magically increase revenue. That is why the ObamaCare runway is built on the backs of working class Americans.
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How much money does the U.S. government give oil, gas and coal companies?

In the United States, credible estimates of annual fossil fuel subsidies range from $10 billion to $52 billion annually

http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/

Do the fossil fuel cartel need government subsidies (Taxpayers money)?
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How much money does the U.S. government give oil, gas and coal companies?

In the United States, credible estimates of annual fossil fuel subsidies range from $10 billion to $52 billion annually

http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/

Do the fossil fuel cartel need government subsidies (Taxpayers money)?
Different subject but for as much as I care that can be the next cut after they cut off big bird's head.

They got a lot of trimming to do. They won't and I have my life jacket on for the ride over the cliff.

I personally want to see $3 in cuts out of next years budget for every $1 in increased revenue. If they can't do that let's all take a merry ride.

It's time for some manberries to rise up and say let's go.
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No cuts are necessary that exceed reciprocal capital from increased revenue as similarly both can be accomplished by elimination of waste and fraud.

Going over the cliff is something some would not object to at all - including the Stock Market that I predict will have a very good day ... over + 100 pts.
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