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Old 03-27-2013, 02:33 PM
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FBI Pursuing Real-Time Gmail Spying Powers as “Top Priority” for 2013

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Despite the pervasiveness of law enforcement surveillance of digital communication, the FBI still has a difficult time monitoring Gmail, Google Voice, and Dropbox in real time. But that may change soon, because the bureau says it has made gaining more powers to wiretap all forms of Internet conversation and cloud storage a “top priority” this year.

Last week, during a talk for the American Bar Association in Washington, D.C., FBI general counsel Andrew Weissmann discussed some of the pressing surveillance and national security issues facing the bureau. He gave a few updates on the FBI’s efforts to address what it calls the “going dark” problem—how the rise in popularity of email and social networks has stifled its ability to monitor communications as they are being transmitted. It’s no secret that under the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, the feds can easily obtain archive copies of emails. When it comes to spying on emails or Gchat in real time, however, it’s a different story.

That’s because a 1994 surveillance law called the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act only allows the government to force Internet providers and phone companies to install surveillance equipment within their networks. But it doesn’t cover email, cloud services, or online chat providers like Skype. Weissmann said that the FBI wants the power to mandate real-time surveillance of everything from Dropbox and online games (“the chat feature in Scrabble”) to Gmail and Google Voice. “Those communications are being used for criminal conversations,” he said.

While it is true that CALEA can only be used to compel Internet and phone providers to build in surveillance capabilities into their networks, the feds do have some existing powers to request surveillance of other services. Authorities can use a “Title III” order under the “Wiretap Act” to ask email and online chat providers furnish the government with “technical assistance necessary to accomplish the interception.” However, the FBI claims this is not sufficient because mandating that providers help with “technical assistance” is not the same thing as forcing them to “effectuate” a wiretap. In 2011, then-FBI general counsel Valerie Caproni—Weissmann’s predecessor—stated that Title III orders did not provide the bureau with an "effective lever" to "encourage providers" to set up live surveillance quickly and efficiently. In other words, the FBI believes it doesn’t have enough power under current legislation to strong-arm companies into providing real-time wiretaps of communications.
 
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Old 03-27-2013, 04:08 PM
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Disgusting that "Don't be evil" Google is participating in this.
 
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Old 03-27-2013, 07:02 PM
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So if I say FBI &^%^&^^%..they will know..?
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Old 03-28-2013, 04:51 AM
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So if I say FBI &^%^&^^%..they will know..?
Not only will they know, but you'll be flagged and I doubt a single e-mail of yours will go unread by some pencil pusher at a desk somewhere.
 
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Old 03-28-2013, 08:53 AM
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Not only will they know, but you'll be flagged and I doubt a single e-mail of yours will go unread by some pencil pusher at a desk somewhere.
That's not going to happen.

I've worked for the IT team of a fairly large company with its own email system and server. In theory the IT team had access to every single email and every website visited via the server. There is no way we had the time to do so though, as we were too busy keeping the server online and dealing with the many other demands on our time.

Now imagine the FBI doing the same on a massively larger scale. They are not going to read many of the billions of emails sent every day. They will have a computer system that will tag certain groups of words or phrases and these will be the only ones they look at. Even then single words or phrases will produce too much stuff for them to read, so the computer filtering system is going to be severely restricted to phrases that they KNOW are being used by organised crime and organised terrorists. Even then they will be hard pressed to cope.

The 'normal' user, even if they type abusive messages to the FBI, will never ever have their emails actually read by the FBI.
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technol, I was a team leader on a corporate site for IBM 10 years ago and even then things could be monitored if they needed to be.

What you seem to be forgetting is that whether it is via email, telephone calls, fax etc, all somebody has to do is initiate trigger words or phrases so that certain phrases will be flagged and passed on to be inspected. This is pretty easy it set-up, either via email or telecommunications, and it has been running for many years already.

It just needs some sort of work-flow system and that way you wouldn't need a big team to monitor everything.
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FBI isn't gonna read email of some random person. They just care about terrorists, etc.
 
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technol, I was a team leader on a corporate site for IBM 10 years ago and even then things could be monitored if they needed to be.

What you seem to be forgetting is that whether it is via email, telephone calls, fax etc, all somebody has to do is initiate trigger words or phrases so that certain phrases will be flagged and passed on to be inspected. This is pretty easy it set-up, either via email or telecommunications, and it has been running for many years already.

It just needs some sort of work-flow system and that way you wouldn't need a big team to monitor everything.
Bingo! And who can put together a bigger team of pencil pushers than the government?
 
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Years back we had systems that would alert "trigger" words from phone calls coming out of jail....
That was early 90's...can only imagine the technology available now...

Sides that..I am already in their files...(only good stuff) ..I think...
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...so the computer filtering system is going to be severely restricted to phrases that they KNOW are being used by organised crime and organised terrorists.
If that were the way they really did things...
the TSA screeners would not be fondling blond haired children, old white women and every chick with a good rack while swarthy guys fitting the physical, geographic and religious profile of the 9/11 terrorists walk by uninspected.

Our DHS has virtually removed the word "terrorist" from the official lexicon *except* when referring to "right-wing terrorists". The spiders that check email will focus on the same things that Napolitano's DHS has stated as indicators that someone *might* be a right wing terrorist.

Unfortunately I trip red flags on over half the stuff they've mentioned on various memos and handouts. For example... the mere act of voicing opinions that our constitutional rights are being undermined is considered one of the indicators you are a potential terrorist, as is opposing illegal immigration... but hey, enjoy that free speech, just understand big sis is watching.

Being a veteran, buying more than seven days worth of food, being opposed to abortion, having any missing fingers (oddly I'm missing part of one from an old industrial accident), buying emergency type or prepper type supplies... these and other things are on the lists that make you suspect. They even mention those that don't like Obama... but of course it is couched in terms of those disgruntled at us having elected an african-american president. [So apparently skin-color is the reason I might oppose a freakin socialist.]

So our "war on terror" as far as its reason for inception... that's over
Our DHS isn't worried about our borders, they're focused on a potential threat to their own power. The war-on-terror theme has been co-opted for use as a means to demonize those that would oppose the current administration's political agenda.

If you want to see a precursor of how that works, look at recent events in New York
-- They passed laws that make weapons that WERE perfectly legal "illegal".

-- Then they set up a snitch line and PAY others to tell on those having "illegal weapons". If you piss off a neighbor, they can get even by anonymously reporting you, and you're guilty until proven innocent. Don't assume they will knock quietly when they come.

-- If you oppose this Orwellian / early Nazi era methodology... liberals ask what kind of lunatic could *possibly* oppose turning in people in possession of illegal weapons... "Have you already forgotten Sandy Hook?!"
So no, they are not looking at those emails for terrorists as you and I might define them. They are looking for the opportunity to have the next Waco or Ruby Ridge incident. [By the way... mentioning either of those puts you on the list. Guarantee those phrases are in the filter.]

A few starter sources for discussion:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_186834.html
http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/200...extremist-too/
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012...ng-terrorists/

I have the DHS report that started this bookmarked, but I'll have to track it down.
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Yeah, I noticed in an article in my paper about Bing running ads criticizing Google and its privacy policies.
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