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Old 04-05-2013, 06:58 AM
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Doctor of Colorado shooter failed to commit

The system is broken but it is not the gun owners causing the problem.

The following is based on a story playing out on Fox News right now. It will most likely be on their site in just a bit.

The doctor of the Colorado shooter failed to follow proper procedure and have him committed after he made her aware that he was homicidal. She did report the matter to the campus police who then took no action.

So the doctor failed her duty. The campus police may also be guilty. All the gun laws in the world can not avoid the human failure factor.

This is a prime example why one should always wait for the full story to be revealed before jumping to action.
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Old 04-05-2013, 08:52 AM
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This article is interesting to read about the shooting and its aftermath.

It seems this could have been avoided, and I am sure this trial will show that the system is broken. People that want more and more gun control laws should learn from this case that news laws will have not effects if the system is already broken and existing laws not enforced.

Free press fight: How Fox News reporter wound up facing jail for doing job

Fox News reporter Jana Winter faces jail for doing her job too well. She's not been accused of any crime, only of protecting the identity of confidential news sources while reporting an important development in a major national story. A Colorado court has now compounded a pending murder trial with a second legal case, one with profound First Amendment ramifications.

The story started on July 20, 2012, when James Holmes walked into a midnight showing of the Batman film “The Dark Knight Rises” in an Aurora, Colo., theater and unleashed a hail of gunfire that left 12 people dead and 58 injured. The horrific shooting spree left the nation stunned and looking for answers.

The Story and Sources

Fox News sent Winter, a veteran reporter based in New York, to Colorado to cover the shooting and its aftermath. Winter soon broke an exclusive story revealing that, prior to the shooting, Holmes had sent a package to a University of Colorado psychiatrist that included a notebook "full of details about how he was going to kill people," according to one of Winter’s sources. Her July 25 article on FoxNews.com also reported that the notebook contained illustrations of a massacre, including drawings of gun-wielding stick figures shooting other stick figures.

The package, sent to Dr. Lynne Fenton, is now in the hands of Holmes' defense attorneys, who have not released any further details on its contents.

Read affidavit of FoxNews.com reporter Jana Winter

Winter's story cited unnamed law enforcement sources and drew an immediate reaction from Holmes’ attorneys. They accused the government of violating various gag orders that Arapahoe County District Court Judge William Sylvester had issued in the days following the shooting and asserted that the disclosures violated Holmes' right to a fair trial. Further, they sought the judge’s help in hunting down and punishing the sources of the story.

Sylvester allowed Holmes’ lawyers to launch an investigation, which included calling more than a dozen law enforcement officers to the witness stand. Each officer denied having talked to the media. When superficial questioning failed to uncover the leaker, attorneys for Holmes shifted their focus to Winter, hoping to force her to reveal her sources.
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Details appear to what I have posted in a different thread, but no one put this issue on the gun control table.

The Colorado Shooter Was on Psycho Drugs

The news is out. The killer, James Holmes, who dressed up as The Joker and shot up a movie theater full of people in Colorado, had been taking Zoloft, the same dangerous psychotropic drug that the Columbine killer, Eric Harris, had been taking. According to the information released by the judge in the case, Homes had also been taking a drug called Clonazepam. How long do we have to wait until there is a thorough investigation into the dangers these drugs pose to society? It's far easier to blame video games and use the tragedies to target innocent gun owners. Big Pharma and their bought and paid for stooges in government must be stopped.

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Old 04-05-2013, 11:49 AM
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Doctor of Colorado shooter failed to commit


Denver: A University of Colorado psychiatrist who once treated accused theater gunman James Holmes described him to a campus police officer as having had "homicidal thoughts" five weeks before he allegedly killed 12 moviegoers, newly unsealed court records showed on Thursday.

Dr Lynne Fenton also told the campus police officer that Holmes, then a graduate student of neuroscience, had threatened her in email and text messages, police detectives said in an affidavit filed last year seeking school records for their investigation.

Under Colorado law, mental health professionals cannot be held liable in civil suits for failing to predict a patient's violent actions unless it involves a "serious threat of imminent physical violence against a specific person or persons."

When such a threat is made, the mental health professional is required to take action, which may include notifying those targeted or a law enforcement agency.

... had threatened her in email and text messages

Still not enough detail to have a clear picture of what really happened - considering he threatened the Dr. herself and she reported his homicidal tenancies - it seems the Authorities are the ones who should be held accountable.

the law does not expressly state the individual should be committed - whether the Dr. thought of it will be an interesting finding during the trial.
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