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Old 08-22-2006, 11:36 PM
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What matters here is that there is no value on lives in today's world.. 10,000 iraq children killed and Rice terms it as "collateral damage". It is the sheer insensitiveness of the US and its cohorts ( meaning those who nod their head to all the US deems fit) that reeks of tyranny.
You might question how many Iraqi children would have been killed if the US had not stepped in? Seriously.

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WhatcomsFinest,

Guess you put on your finest behaviour in this political thread..

You have given me a red rep too..

I guess i gotta wait till you grow up a bit..

Lets give peace a chance... And you can start off in your own little way by not going overboard and spraying red all round..

This is supposed to be a friendly forum remember..
I explained myself about this in a different thread, I apologize for "spraying red" but I saw alot of IMO hate towards my Country and beliefs. It is not an excuse just an explanation (if there is a difference ). Anyways done with the red, except for my voting policies

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You might question how many Iraqi children would have been killed if the US had not stepped in? Seriously.
I would accept the above if only the US rebuilds Iraq and ushers in real democracy, not just puppets on a string..I appreciate the US intention to bring democracy but they gotta keep their word and put human lives above strategic interests.


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I explained myself about this in a different thread, I apologize for "spraying red" but I saw alot of IMO hate towards my Country and beliefs. It is not an excuse just an explanation (if there is a difference ). Anyways done with the red, except for my voting policies
I dont hate your country or your beliefs. Just that the US has a shortsighted policy towards the Middle East.. Remember Bin Laden was an American creation at the start. Force doesnt solve problems. It creates more..

I am repping you a green so that you shall understand there are people out there who want the violence to stop rather than getting defensive or getting offensive..
 
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Didnt notice that you had given me a green too Way to go buddy...
 
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Old 08-23-2006, 06:01 AM
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I would accept the above if only the US rebuilds Iraq and ushers in real democracy, not just puppets on a string..I appreciate the US intention to bring democracy but they gotta keep their word and put human lives above strategic interests.




I dont hate your country or your beliefs. Just that the US has a shortsighted policy towards the Middle East.. Remember Bin Laden was an American creation at the start. Force doesnt solve problems. It creates more..

I am repping you a green so that you shall understand there are people out there who want the violence to stop rather than getting defensive or getting offensive..
I know that Iraq want to be rebuilt by the people, Al-Quaida, is a terrorist community in Iraq, and it is killing the US troop, and you tell me the Us is not doing well in this?
Did you know that people there love the US troop more than their own kids?
Please, don't talk about the Middle East without being there, and without seeing the good things that Mr. Bush is doing, I hope he can do that to Lebanon, because it will be a great country to live in, they are not with force in Iraq, they did said that when they solve evry thing, they will be out, but no, AL-Quaida is trying to kill every one, even it own people, it is war, and you cannot blame just the US you know, they are a troop of peace there, and if you read how they are killed, or how they do respect the peaople there, you will truly believe that this country will be a better place without Terrorism, not the US Troop.
 
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Old 08-23-2006, 08:44 AM
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Didnt notice that you had given me a green too Way to go buddy...
Thanks, see maturing well huh?
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Old 08-23-2006, 09:28 AM
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I would accept the above if only the US rebuilds Iraq and ushers in real democracy, not just puppets on a string..I appreciate the US intention to bring democracy but they gotta keep their word and put human lives above strategic interests.




I dont hate your country or your beliefs. Just that the US has a shortsighted policy towards the Middle East.. Remember Bin Laden was an American creation at the start. Force doesnt solve problems. It creates more..

I am repping you a green so that you shall understand there are people out there who want the violence to stop rather than getting defensive or getting offensive..
I truly believe that we are bringing democracy. It is a very tricky situation obviously with many different sides and views, here are some good videos:
http://grouchymedia.com/streaming_vi..._elections.cfm
http://grouchymedia.com/other_videos..._on_demand.cfm
http://grouchymedia.com/streaming_video/why.cfm
http://grouchymedia.com/streaming_video/sacrifice.cfm
http://grouchymedia.com/other_videos..._on_demand.cfm

Also more about the different people in Iraq:
http://theotheriraq.com/

http://www.teachersfirst.com/iraq.html

I believe that the US & our President Bush are ultimately seeking peace, its just freedom is'nt free.

Jeremy
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joecacia,

Who created Bin Laden in the first place? For what?
 
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joecacia,

Who created Bin Laden in the first place? For what?
I don’t care who created him, it is like asking who come first, the egg or the chicken? , sorry, I am giving my opinion in here, as I respect yours:
It is about the troop there, about the innocent people that they are dying every where, each time, because of what? TERRORISM not USA.
Do they like that? of Corse not, each time I hear some one is telling me about a husband, a student, a friend, a child is in Iraq, I feel the tears they are spreading around, asking god to let them be safe, and to see them again, you ask me about creation? What is creation when you have a child of your own, and you raise him so well, suddenly, oups, he is a terrorist; it is not your fault, is it? He wanted to be like that, and you cannot change the facts can you?
 
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I dont get you AT ALL..Forget it
 
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I dont get you AT ALL..Forget it

It is up to you if you do or not, you ask me the question, remember?
Any way, thank you.

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It is up to you if you do or not, you ask me the question, remember?
Any way, thank you.
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the uS didn't "create"Bin, he created himself, or Allah did, whatever. He was once an allie ... that doesn't make him a creation of the US.
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It is up to you if you do or not, you ask me the question, remember?
Any way, thank you.
Thank you too

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the uS didn't "create"Bin, he created himself, or Allah did, whatever. He was once an allie ... that doesn't make him a creation of the US.
If not for his parents he would'nt be here...Period
 
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If not for his parents he would'nt be here...Period
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The Israeli army admits war crimes in Lebanon...

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IDF commander: We fired more than a million cluster bombs in Lebanon

"What we did was insane and monstrous, we covered entire towns in cluster bombs," the head of an IDF rocket unit in Lebanon said regarding the use of cluster bombs and phosphorous shells during the war.

Quoting his battalion commander, the rocket unit head stated that the IDF fired around 1,800 cluster bombs, containing over 1.2 million cluster bomblets.

In addition, soldiers in IDF artillery units testified that the army used phosphorous shells during the war, widely forbidden by international law. According to their claims, the vast majority of said explosive ordinance was fired in the final 10 days of the war.
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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/761781.html

(Note that Haaretz is an Israeli news agency)
 
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