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Old 06-15-2013, 08:00 AM
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Assad Prepares Offensive as Obama Promises Rebels Arms

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President Barack Obama’s decision to send some light weapons to Syrian rebels may be too little and too late to thwart a regime offensive to retake Aleppo, the nation’s largest city and commercial capital.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...bels-arms.html

I don't understand, President Obama reverses the US position on UN treaty to regulate small arms to avoid that terrorists get them and now the same President order to send small arms in Syria to undefined islamist combatants?

Why are we engaging in this country? Why the decision wasn't made by Congress?
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Old 06-16-2013, 07:38 AM
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Old 06-17-2013, 04:47 PM
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Here is the answer, sadly we didn't learn anything from recent wars...

Syrian rebels pledge loyalty to al-Qaeda

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A Syrian rebel group's April pledge of allegiance to al-Qaeda's replacement for Osama bin Laden suggests that the terrorist group's influence is not waning and that it may take a greater role in the Western-backed fight to topple Syrian President Bashar Assad.

The pledge of allegiance by Syrian Jabhat al Nusra Front chief Abou Mohamad al-Joulani to al-Qaeda leader Sheik Ayman al-Zawahri was coupled with an announcement by the al-Qaeda affiliate in Iraq, the Islamic State of Iraq, that it would work with al Nusra as well.

Lebanese Sheik Omar Bakri, a Salafist who says states must be governed by Muslim religious law, says al-Qaeda has assisted al Nusra for some time.

"They provided them early on with technical, military and financial support , especially when it came to setting up networks of foreign jihadis who were brought into Syria," Bakri says. "There will certainly be greater coordination between the two groups."

The United States, which supports the overthrow of Assad, designated al Nusra a terrorist entity in December. The Obama administration has said it wants to support only those insurgent groups that are not terrorist organizations.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...ction/2075323/
 
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Old 06-17-2013, 06:11 PM
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France and UK ready to arm Syrian rebels

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Amid disagreements between EU governments over a Syrian arms embargo, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius (photo) said France and Britain were ready to lift the embargo without unanimous EU support. By FRANCE 24 (text) Amid mounting disagreements between European governments over an EU arms embargo on Syria, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said France and Britain are ready to arm Syrian rebels without unanimous EU support.

Speaking on France Info radio on Thursday, Fabius noted that arming the rebels is “one of the only means left to make things move politically'' in Syria.


Syrian opposition embraces Fabius’ stance on EU embargo
Syrian opposition factions embraced French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius’ comments on Thursday saying that France and Britain would seek to lift an EU embargo preventing the two countries from sending arms to rebel forces in Syria.

Meanwhile, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s regime condemned the move, criticising it as a “flagrant violation” of international law.




When asked if France and Britain could join efforts to arm the opposition, Fabius said, “to lift the embargo, exactly”.

France is pushing for an urgent EU meeting on lifting the arms embargo. In his interview Fabius said, “We have to go very fast. The Europeans are supposed to look at this question in several weeks. But we will ask, with the British, to bring forward that meeting.”

Fabius’ comments came days after British Prime Minister David Cameron hinted that the UK could break with some of its fellow EU members on the Syrian arms embargo issue.

Speaking at a parliamentary committee on Tuesday, Cameron said, “"I hope that we can persuade our European partners, if and when a further change becomes necessary, they will agree with us," before adding, "but if we can't, then it's not out of the question we might have to do things in our own way. It's possible."

Both Britain and France have been pushing to lift the Syria embargo as a means to level the playing field in a two-year conflict that has killed around 70,000 people.

But Germany, the other powerhouse in the 27-member EU, has been reluctant to lift the embargo, fearing it would lead to proliferation of weapons in the region and spark a proxy war.
http://www.france24.com/en/20130314-...-cameron-assad

Are we arming al qaeda now? I am completly lost by these news
 
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Old 07-17-2013, 03:58 PM
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Oops!
This is what happens when we get involved in things we shouldn't.
Unintended consequences...
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Old 07-18-2013, 12:43 PM
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What a mess!

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Old 07-23-2013, 06:53 AM
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It didn't take long that the Peace Nobel Prize decided to make war!

Training and arming the rebels with an option to hit with air strikes and put some boots on ground to secure chemical weapons is an act of war!

Sorry Detroit, the bail out money is used for wars, not to help the bankrupted cities!

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President Barack Obama is in a position to move forward with a plan to arm Syrian rebels, an official said Monday, after concerns raised by Congress were resolved.

The comments came a few hours after House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Michigan, seemed to clear the path for the plan to proceed.

Some lawmakers had moved to stop the plan from being put into action, citing concerns over a lack of explanation on strategy and questions about how the groups receiving aid would be vetted.

Syrian photographer documents destruction "The House Intelligence Committee has very strong concerns about the strength of the administration's plans in Syria and its chances for success," Rogers said in a statement Monday. "After much discussion and review, we got a consensus that we could move forward with what the administration's plans and intentions are in Syria consistent with committee reservations."

But U.S. military involvement in Syria would likely cost billions of dollars and carry a range of risks for the forces involved, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Martin Dempsey said in a letter released Monday.

"It is no less than an act of war," Dempsey wrote in the letter to Sen. Carl Levin, D-Michigan, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/23/politi...els/index.html
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I guess we're going to have to experience WWIII in order to figure out that we all need to get involved and reign in our politicians and corporations.
This business in Syria (and Iran) will not end well for anyone.
 
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I guess we're going to have to experience WWIII in order to figure out that we all need to get involved and reign in our politicians and corporations.
This business in Syria (and Iran) will not end well for anyone.
That's nothing than sacrificing our people for the mega rich western aristocrats and their own interests (mostly stealing the foreign raw ressources).

Yes WW3 is the solution for them to kill two birds with one stone, A stealing raw ressources and B find a scape goat for their economic failure to avoid revolution or unrest in their own countries.
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Dempsey outlines Syria options, including deployment of ‘thousands’ of ground forces

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The nation's top military officer has laid out five options the Obama administration is considering on Syria, including "limited" strikes against the Assad regime and an all-out campaign to secure chemical weapons that includes "thousands" of U.S. forces.

Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, revealed the options in a letter to Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich. The letter was sent as, on the other side of the Hill, the House Intelligence Committee signed off on the administration's call to arm the Syria opposition -- though the committee, which held that up for weeks, continued to voice reservations.

Dempsey's letter, released Monday, went far beyond arming the opposition in outlining potential options. He sent the letter after taking heat at last week's confirmation hearing from Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who pressed Dempsey for his advice on Syria while suggesting the administration had not done enough -- McCain threatened to place a hold on Dempsey's nomination until he got answers.

In the letter, Dempsey gave five options on Syria beyond providing humanitarian assistance, which the U.S. already is doing.

At the least invasive end, he said, is the option of training, advising and assisting the rebels. The next level up would be conducting limited strikes on "high-value regime" military targets.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...stration-call/
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I hope Dempsey will be leading the charge himself.
 
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Old 07-23-2013, 08:57 AM
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I hope Dempsey will be leading the charge himself.
Yeah, what made Napoleon a great warrior was his presence at the front line...and he said:

"Soldiers generally win battles; generals get credit for them."

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"War is the business of barbarians."

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