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Old 07-25-2013, 08:10 AM
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McDonalds Tells Workers To Budget By Getting A Second Job And Turning Off Their Heat

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McDonalds has partnered with Visa to launch a website to help its low-wage workers making an average $8.25 an hour to budget. But while the site is clearly meant to illustrate that McDonalds workers should be able to live on their meager wages, it actually underscores exactly how hard it is for a low-paid fast food worker to get by.

The site includes a sample “budget journal” for McDonalds’ employees that offers a laughably inaccurate view of what it’s like to budget on a minimum wage job. Not only does the budget leave a spot open for “second job,” it also gives wholly unreasonable estimates for employees’ costs: $20 a month for health care, $0 for heating, and $600 a month for rent. It does not include any budgeted money for food or clothing.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...uget-low-wage/

Oops, multi national corporations offers a laughably inaccurate view of what it’s like to budget on a minimum wage job...

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Well it does actually provide for $800/month for spending money. And then in New York or similar, you would have to get with several roomates to have $600/month rent, and may not need a car. It's possible, and people do it.
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FWIW I find it highly unlikely that people get a job at McDonalds expecting it to fully support themselves let alone a family.
 
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Well it does actually provide for $800/month for spending money. And then in New York or similar, you would have to get with several roomates to have $600/month rent, and may not need a car. It's possible, and people do it.
What a great life for young people, young couple and even old people, yes old people work for $8.25 an hour, that's a shame!

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FWIW I find it highly unlikely that people get a job at McDonalds expecting it to fully support themselves let alone a family.
I guess the first point is not particularly about McDonalds, but rather about the minimum wage they offer, because you cannot make a living with that.

The second point is the laughably inaccurate view of McDonalds to teach workers how to make a budget that will need to take a 2nd job because if I understood correctly that's what they want the worker to do.

So you guys are totally fine with $8.25 an hour when the bosses make $15,000 an hour (which I doubt that they are actually working 40 hours)?

I feel sorry for you to think that way.
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The world does not owe me a living. If a company does not pay what I need to survive, I simply do not apply for a job there.

If I want more than minimum wage then I must provide a company more value or start my own company.
 
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The world does not owe me a living.

There are societies builded for a better life, and everybody contribute financially for these societies. IMO it is an anarchist reasoning to say that: If the world doesn't own me, why should I pay for it?

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If I want more than minimum wage then I must provide a company more value or start my own company.
How do you define your value? All multi national corporations and national corporations most of the time are asking how much you were paid in your last job, which mean NOTHING, except today you have much more chance to be paid less than before, so they may get more work for themeselves without paying for it.

Starting a company of what? Do you think a McDonald worker already struggling for a living can decide the next day that he can create a company? Oh maybe if he takes 3 jobs...
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My maternal grandfather was a farmer. He would have seriously rolled on the ground laughing his tail off about people thinking the world owed them a living or that maybe there should only be a 4 day work week. From the time the kids could walk they started taking part (according to their age) the chores on the farm. Farm life knew nothing of 8 hour shifts, weekends off, holidays or overtime pay. They simply did what had to be done from sun up until after sunset every day. When times got tough my grandfather would get an extra job in town to get by until the next harvest or calf sale.

This country was built on men like my grandfather...

Part of controversial topics is understanding and respecting that not everyone is going to share your opinion.

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My maternal grandfather was a farmer. He would have seriously rolled on the ground laughing his tail off about people thinking the world owed them a living or that maybe there should only be a 4 day work week. From the time the kids could walk they started taking part (according to their age) the chores on the farm. Farm life knew nothing of 8 hour shifts, weekends off, holidays or overtime pay. They simply did what had to be done from sun up until after sunset every day. When times got tough my grandfather would get an extra job in town to get by until the next harvest or calf sale.

This country was built on men like my grandfather...

Part of controversial topics is understanding and respecting that not everyone is going to share your opinion.
Well, if you study how our societies "evolved", it is like this: Agriculture, Industry, and now we are in Post-Industry, what I mean is that things done in different contexts cannot be compared with today context.

You have to study the Socio-cultural evolution to understand better our societies.

I am suspicious from some opinions that came from political parties propagandas or rhetorics. Not that I am saying that for you, but I have seeing many people here in this forum just repeating the same things you can find in some newspapers. The brainwashing is still working pretty well.
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Well, I am pretty sure I am part of this generation and I believe what my grandfather lived and taught.

My mother learned work ethics from her father, as I learned mine from her and my father, and as I have taught my children.

With that I am going to respectfully remove myself from this conversation because our personal beliefs are not up for debate. They simply are what they are...
 
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our personal beliefs are not up for debate. They simply are what they are...
The personal beliefs need to be supported by the same context it was taught, if the context change, it is difficult to have the same beliefs, anyway that's what I think.
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The federal minimum wage provisions are contained in the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA). The federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour effective July 24, 2009. Many states also have minimum wage laws. Some state laws provide greater employee protections; employers must comply with both.
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That "evil corporation" is paying a buck more than the law allows and that is a starting wage. I've not seen any chains and shackles on the employees are McDonalds. If they can find a better gig they should take it.

Except possibility for highly educated people no one has ever gotten ahead working just 40 hours a week. That is an urban myth. Whether you work the extra 20 at the full time job or a second job doesn't really matter.
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That "evil corporation" is paying a buck more than the law allows and that is a starting wage.


I thought the law was $8.25 without benefits and $7.25 with benefits, which is not the same thing.

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Did you see what's happening to the highly educated people with students loans?

Student Loan Debt: Widespread and Worrisome
http://www.urban.org/publications/904593.html
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Hey,

You know it wouldn't bother me if a Corporation like McDonald's put forward ideas like they're great first job for people without much/any employment history or stressed that their entry level positions are just that and that there are opportunities to move up. Things of that nature.

However; putting forward/suggesting the idea that someone SHOULD be able to live on 8.25 an hour does trouble me.

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I think you're right, Cricket. So why would McDonald's take the position that people can? It seems unnecessary for them to do so, what are they trying to accomplish?

I guess my concern would be that it's part of a trend to attempt to lower the average persons quality of life expectations from an economic standpoint.

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I thought the law was $8.25 without benefits and $7.25 with benefits, which is not the same thing.
Strange isn't how thoughts and facts can often be different things. Federal law does dictate that benefits be paid. Well not until Jan 1 2014 when obamination care kicks in.
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I guess my concern would be that it's part of a trend to attempt to lower the average persons quality of life expectations from an economic standpoint.

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I believe that multi national corporations cannot take the benefits from the socialism system (bailouts) and in the same time apply a free market system (social dumping) on working people employees and workers.

And I have the same concern that the trend is to attempt to lower wages without regards from the public corporations to the burden wellfare (food stamps, medical bills, etc) on ALL TAXPAYERS.

People cannot have a decent living wage anymore, students cannot find jobs to pay back their student loans, etc

Today it is a total unsustainable social mess.

Do we have to say more?

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Notably, McDonald's has increased shareholder dividends for 25 consecutive years

McJob: The term was defined as "a low-paying job that requires little skill and provides little opportunity for advancement

In 2001, Eric Schlosser's book Fast Food Nation included criticism of the business practices of McDonald's. Among the critiques were allegations that McDonald's (along with other companies within the fast food industry) uses its political influence to increase its profits at the expense of people's health and the social conditions of its workers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mcdo#Facts_and_figures

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Strange isn't how thoughts and facts can often be different things. Federal law does dictate that benefits be paid. Well not until Jan 1 2014 when obamination care kicks in.
That's facts in Nevada

https://www.laborlawcenter.com/t-min...ge-nevada.aspx
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