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Old 09-26-2013, 05:08 PM
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Thumbs down Starbucks: Leave Your Guns At Home

As many of you already know Howard Schultz, Starbucks chairman, president and chief executive officer posted an open letter requesting that their customers no longer bring guns into their stores.

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"For these reasons, today we are respectfully requesting that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas—even in states where “open carry” is permitted—unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel." http://www.starbucks.com/blog/an-ope...d-schultz/1268
I fully respect that a store only has a right to choose what does and doesn't go on in their place of business. That being said, I think there is another side we need to hear as well...

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Old 09-26-2013, 08:03 PM
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for this topic, I feel lucky I am not living in US. to be honest, I never see common folks bringing gun in the mall or starbucks or any where else
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I find it pretty silly.

First Starbucks highjacked the palates of Americans by over-roasting their espresso so that everyone thinks if it's not half burned it's not real coffee.

I think that this latest statement by Starbucks is a contrivance to look cooler, more politically correct and to let us all know that for some reason, a company that barely pays better than walmart needs to have a say in our country's fabric. Pseudo-marketing.

Maybe I'll just keep making my coffee at home as much as possible and head to McDonalds the next time I need a caffeine fix.

BTW, this was interesting reading....

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[UPDATE]: Last Tuesday in need of a coffee fix over in Dallas I gave the iced coffee at McDonalds a try instead of heading to Starbucks for my $2.00 tall filter coffee.

It was fine. Actually tasted rich and delicious. And was cheaper.

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for this topic, I feel lucky I am not living in US. to be honest, I never see common folks bringing gun in the mall or starbucks or any where else
Oh yeah. Here in California, permission to carry concealed weapons is very tightly restricted, almost to the point of non-existence (well, except for celebrities, politicians, friends of the sheriffs, and political donors).

I find it just so much better when I know that the only people bringing guns to a mall or a theater are the ones who are intent on killing a lot of people. </sarcasm>
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we got no starbucks here , though if the security is good whats the pupose of bringing firearms in store
 
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I've been by many starbucks but never stepped foot in any of them.

Personally I get uncomfortable when someone walks in a store or other place with a gun at there side. Because you never know what their intentions are.

I say a no gun policy is good.

There are even jails I've seen on television where police can't even bring in a gun.

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I've been by many starbucks but never stepped foot in any of them.

Personally I get uncomfortable when someone walks in a store or other place with a gun at there side. Because you never know what their intentions are.

I say a no gun policy is good.

There are even jails I've seen on television where police can't even bring in a gun.

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You do realize that most mass shootings have occurred in gun free zones, right?
 
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You do realize that most mass shootings have occurred in gun free zones, right?
I do realize that. But it can happen in any place whether it's gun free or not.

Besides what reason does anyone other than a cop have for bringing in a gun to a store or any other public place?

It sure isn't gonna help to have a handgun when someone comes in with a couple of other high powered guns.

They'd shoot you down with their guns before you had time to pull yours out.

And besides the mass shooter probably has a bullet proof vest where you shooting at him wouldn't do anything.

And what if the mass shooter comes in with a few machine guns? You think your little gun is gonna handle it?

I don't think so.

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I do realize that. But it can happen in any place whether it's gun free or not.

Besides what reason does anyone other than a cop have for bringing in a gun to a store or any other public place?
Self protection?

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It sure isn't gonna help to have a handgun when someone comes in with a couple of other high powered guns.

They'd shoot you down with their guns before you had time to pull yours out.
Then I guess I better take aim before he sees me.

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And besides the mass shooter probably has a bullet proof vest where you shooting at him wouldn't do anything.
Then I guess I better practice my head shots.

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And what if the mass shooter comes in with a few machine guns? You think your little gun is gonna handle it?

I don't think so.

Chad
Well, I am guessing my little gun would do a whole lot better job than pointing at him with my finger.

You and I should probably just agree to disagree.
 
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In my honest opinion, unless they are cops or any law enforcement, bringing guns in anywhere will just make people feel unsafe. Why bring gun to a public place when there are other ways to incapacitate those who try to harm you. The no gun policy in starbucks is just cool, imo
 
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I do realize that. But it can happen in any place whether it's gun free or not.

Besides what reason does anyone other than a cop have for bringing in a gun to a store or any other public place?

It sure isn't gonna help to have a handgun when someone comes in with a couple of other high powered guns.

They'd shoot you down with their guns before you had time to pull yours out.

And besides the mass shooter probably has a bullet proof vest where you shooting at him wouldn't do anything.

And what if the mass shooter comes in with a few machine guns? You think your little gun is gonna handle it?

I don't think so.

Chad
How would you protect yourself in that situation, Chad?
Kindly remind the machine gun weilding criminal that he's in a gun free zone and ask him nicely to take his guns elsewhere?

What do you think would have a higher probability of successfully protecting you?
Your ability to sweet talk the criminal or possessing your own gun?
 
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How would you protect yourself in that situation, Chad?
Kindly remind the machine gun weilding criminal that he's in a gun free zone and ask him nicely to take his guns elsewhere?

What do you think would have a higher probability of successfully protecting you?
Your ability to sweet talk the criminal or possessing your own gun?
If you live in a place where crime is high, it makes sense. But the next question you need to ask is why crime is high and also why you live there. There have been some really bad policies like the creation of a black market for drugs through making them illegal that have increased the prevalence of gangs. If there were a lot of gang activity in my area or chance of riots, I would be more likely to keep a gun close by.

But this "everybody for themselves" and "don't trust the government" mantra created especially by the Tea Party seems to be the building blocks of Fascism. Fortunately, I think people are starting to see that and the popularity of the Tea Party is dwindling despite the massive investment by the Koch brothers, etc.
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The Tea Party isn't the building blocks of fascism.
The fact that corporations own the politicians is.

And the "don't trust the government mantra" as you call it, comes from an untrustworthy government, not from the tea party. If the government were acting in the best interests of its citizens, perhaps more people would trust it.
 
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A...Starbucks coffee does not taste good to me....I do not drink it...
B...I kinda' like the constitution....
C...I'd rather go down shooting than be slaughtered without a fight...
D...Concealed weapon...keyword...concealed....
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A...Starbucks coffee does not taste good to me....I do not drink it...
B...I kinda' like the constitution....
C...I'd rather go down shooting than be slaughtered without a fight...
D...Concealed weapon...keyword...concealed....


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The Tea Party isn't the building blocks of fascism.
The fact that corporations own the politicians is.

And the "don't trust the government mantra" as you call it, comes from an untrustworthy government, not from the tea party. If the government were acting in the best interests of its citizens, perhaps more people would trust it.
Yea, but the Tea Party is especially funded by these corporate interests, namely the Walmart family and the Koch brothers. And the type of messages spread by groups like Freedom Works and the Heritage Foundation are especially designed to promote dissent, shut down the government, cut programs for the poor, and pit people against each other. This is why many even in the Republican Party right now are taking issue with the Tea Party and arguably standing up to this extreme right wing faction in their party.
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Is that not the primary function of all political parties?
To pit people against each other?
It's all a show, to provide the illusion of choice where none exists.
Governments have gone fascist, and it has nothing to do with any one party (or faction therein).
 
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I've avoided this thread until now.

My understanding is that Starbucks said, "please don't" and not "you can't". Where I come come from this is called pandering to misinformed. A legal sidearm on the belt of a law abiding person never hurt anyone and I suspect the Starbucks chief recognizes that. Or, more accurately is unwilling to kiss off that business segment.
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Dont people sometimes bring their children into starbucks?
Why would you want to have lots of people packing all around. That would make me very uncomfortable.
I really like America and have visited many times before but i must admit seeing people on the street carrying firearms is a little bit distressing. I think it would put me off my coffee as i cant really understand why you need to be armed all the time.
 
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